To be hacked off over "contaminated"heroin.

[fallon8]

I may have pressed wrong button and posted this elsewhere,I aplogise if I have.
Dog walking, thinking time.
Why does Radio Scotland in droning voice keep telling us that ex amount of peolple have died thru taking comtaminted heroin? Apparently is contains Anthrax and a few bods have died. Surely, they shouldnt be taking the bloody stuff in the first place.
Thru' no fault of my own,I have been treated for Breast Cancer 4 times and continue on long term stuff to try and keep it at bay. I sometimes have to argue my case to get a more expensive drug which has less side effects.Why should resources which could be spent on me and others like me be used for twats who bring it on themselves? Dont mention, smoking, too much alchohol, obesity either!!! To get into the Chemo Room,you rung the gauntlet of patients hooked up to their treatment fagging it outside,i know they maybe on the way out, but I dont care,but why waste the cash? I know, I know, I shouldnt let it get to me,but it does.

i completely sympathise.
but alas its a pointless chain of thought.
i dont think smokers should be treated AT ALL because there is NO EXCUSE.

but yet i think heroin addicts should get psychiatric help, and bulimics should get help.

i just dont know my own mind on this issue anymore.

if you deny smokers treatment the oncology unit would be empty britfish.and again that smoker is someone dad,mum,sibling.such bold statements are empty rhetoric.a liberal society treats disease and illness and doesn't decline intervention because of how the illness was acquired

Sorry Nemo - it was tongue in cheek.
Should've done the wink after it. I would read your book if you wrote it,you do sound inspiring.

I do have sympathy for you Fallon8, there's been a few in my close family that have suffered from cancer. But illness is illness wherever/whyever it strikes. I wish you all the best for your recovery.

By Alouiseg Tue 13-Apr-10 12:40:38
"I agree with OP.

I also wonder why it's news. Smackheads are well aware of the risks of contamination in drugs.

It's so anti Darwinian to keep protecting people who have no interest in protecting themselves.

I fully expect a flaming from the human rights brigade and relish it somewhat."

I would like to point out, that one of the most fundamental and revolutionary evolutionary adaptations which have enabled our species to succeed, is the ability to co-operate and care for our more vulnerable pack members.

You are using a bastardised and twisted version of Darwinsim. You are fundamentally wrong in your understanding of human evolution. Please stop abusing the subject for your own twisted ends. Thank you.

I'm sorry but as much as you (unfortunately) understand cancer, you obviously have no understanding about eating disorders in the slightest .

You feel like you don't deserve to eat. Its not a case of "I will just eat a bit less, then I'll be thinner". It might start off like that, but by the time you are ill enough to need hospitalisation that bastard has you so tightly by the throat, you are afraid to eat. You know (and that is how it feels, it is not a worry, it is a fact) that something absolutely terrible will happen if you eat that carrot stick, that chocolate, that fat free rice cracker - whatever it is. And the people that are trying to get you to eat; they don't care about you! They want that Bad Thing to happen. Only "it" cares. "It" is your friend. And if you don't do what "It" wants... It doesn't bear thinking about.

I spend every fucking day forcing myself to eat for my son, I am already terrified of what happens when I finish breastfeeding because my motivation will be gone. Every time I eat a single mouthful I want to cry and make myself sick because I am so God damn frightened. And all the while "It" is screaming in my head; "You stupid bitch! ARE YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME? I said not to eat! I will kill them, you know. I will end their live and you will have killed them. That makes you a murderer. If you just listen to me you can save them..." Imagine listening to that all day, every day. Dreaming about the people you love dying, the world ending, horrible things happening, because you ate. Do you think its really as easy as just eating?

So before you ask her to "give you a break" think about what that poor girl is going through. I'm sorry you're having a hard time of things, but that is no reason at all to have a go at other vulnerable people.

arguing who are the deserving and undeserving ill is hollow.if someone has an illness be it physical or psychiatric we offer treatment and support

the why's/what if's/should have/could have can and will be re-enacted somewhere else.illness brings with it guilt and often recrimination and regret as it is.

this some illness are self inflicted nonsense is the pernicious prejudice that demonised AIDS/HIV when it was emerging.

heaping stigma and blame onto illness isnt helpful

Fallon8, I've no doubt at all you would have received a whole load of sympathy for your situation, however, you've posted in AIBU and made a pretty inflammatory statement in your OP.

I know how horrible living with breast cancer is, I do understand what you're going through but I cannot sympathise with the sentiments you expressed in your OP.

I work with heroin users in drug treatment setting. They are human beings too.

YABVU.

SirBoobalot
thank you for explaining your illness like that. It has made me understand it more than ever before. Must be absolute hell for you

SirBoobALot You are doing amazingly well, you are a real inspiration. I know it's no help, but I wanted you to know. Those voices are so.. there's no word really, but you are amazing for going against them.

wukter we need a tongue in cheek emoticon!

SirBoobAlot I am blowing you a un-mumsnet kiss as well as sending you 'hugzz.' I had no idea. Take it one day at a time, one hour at a time, or even one minute at a time if you have to. Don't be frightened.

And fallon8 I notice that you seem to have missed my posts altogether? I thought you may have wanted to comment on some of the things I talked about.

eating disorder is a deeper psychiatric malaise than food.it is symptomatic of something else.the manifestation of ed is understood as food, so just feed them- right?well actually very wrong ED can mask a profound illness and for some a psychotic experience

Nemo i wanted to say well done - remarkable woman

Fallon8
clealry you didn' t read my posts on page 1 and 2
because you said,

Should this happen to, you may wish to step out of your box and stand on it too,because no one else will do it for you.

I think i am qualified to comment on these situations becuase of my mummy and my daughter - i stand by their not having brought on their illnesses in anyway not making them more worthy than others for treatment

Fallon8, i feel sorry for you in the fact that your illness has drained you of all common sense and compassion - you are not a better person and in a better place to judge others becuase you have cancer, you are just a person like the rest of us. I wonder if you would refuse treatment for your adult child if they were a smoker? I wonder if you wold just try to get all the help you could for them, you are right if course that carrying on with abusive behaviour of all kinds should stop if undergoing treatment for illness but it still does not give you the right to suggest you are more worthy than others - like i said, you have no idea why and how people got in their situations.

Malificence, please get your facts right. I have worked in drug treatment for 10 years. "Addicts" do not get extra money! Where have you heard that shit? The Daily Mail?

addiction services certainly dont attract glory or funding.far from it.

Thank you all. Sorry, today has been a bad day, and comments like that just get to me I apologise for my language, as well.

The bill to cancer in England alone is 18.33 billion annually and in the next 10 years will increase to 24.72 billion annually.

The cost to NHS smoking in England is between 1.4 billion and 5 billion, 610 million also goes to smoking related illnesses.

The cost of alcoholism is 3 billion annually.

the cost of drugs addiction is extortionately, 3 million a day, which is a shocking abismal cost.

very shocked at the last figure tbh, and now lost track of what I was going to say

Where are these figures from LittleMrsHappy?

sorry

NHS health management website.

im on mobile so cannot do links.

LittleMrsHappy is that the cost of drug treatment or the cost of drug addiction?

Cost of drug addiction - huge in terms of crime, police time, court costs, GPs, family break up, social service involvement, children placed on at risk register / removed from home.

Cost of drug treatment - Prescribing, GPs, medical and psychiatric or even detox or drugs counselling services. There is a huge benefit to society in treating drug addiction, the reduction in crime and the reduction in cost of all the things I have mentioned above. Not to say that it isn't massively expensive though. We need more information and education for young people too.

Lost track of what I was going to say too!

Thank you to everyone who has been so lovely to me on this thread. I am now very seriously thinking that writing a book about it is not only feasible but a Good Idea.

I would love to see these figures, as like nemo, i think it means the cost of drug use on society NOT drug treatment.

National treatment budget and local funding in 2008-2009 was £581million according to NTA.

Nemo do it! I will edit it for you if you want

i feel this thread has gone a little off line!!!!

addicts do not deserve to die...fullstop!!

fallon was being unreasonable in saying so....full stop!!

now im promising myself that im not coming back on here!!!