To be hacked off over "contaminated"heroin.

[fallon8]

I may have pressed wrong button and posted this elsewhere,I aplogise if I have.
Dog walking, thinking time.
Why does Radio Scotland in droning voice keep telling us that ex amount of peolple have died thru taking comtaminted heroin? Apparently is contains Anthrax and a few bods have died. Surely, they shouldnt be taking the bloody stuff in the first place.
Thru' no fault of my own,I have been treated for Breast Cancer 4 times and continue on long term stuff to try and keep it at bay. I sometimes have to argue my case to get a more expensive drug which has less side effects.Why should resources which could be spent on me and others like me be used for twats who bring it on themselves? Dont mention, smoking, too much alchohol, obesity either!!! To get into the Chemo Room,you rung the gauntlet of patients hooked up to their treatment fagging it outside,i know they maybe on the way out, but I dont care,but why waste the cash? I know, I know, I shouldnt let it get to me,but it does.

Alouise that is not correct they could fit convulse etc.Withdrawal after prolonged use needs management

So the depression leads to them relying on chemical substances to make them feel better or they are very depressed and are acting out risky behaviour because that is a huge problem with depressed teens and they meet a dealer and get hooked.

AlouiseG - you have no idea about depression from what you have said, if you had you would recognise that it just does not stop or start it is a long drawn out terrible slope that sees you do lots of things that you wouldn;t otherwise often through no fault of your own - one of which is to dabble in drugs and get hooked.

Eating disorders are very interesting, they are generally classed as mental health disorders when a person is under eating in the case of Anorexia Nervosa yet there is rarely a mental health diagnosis on an overeater.

It's something I would like to know more about.

Alouiseg

You didn't answer my question directly before but, following on from your most recent posts, I assume that you disagree with the NHS paying to treat any kind of 'self inflicted' addiction?

"I don't because depression is not something a person actively seeks out."

I'm really not convinced that anyone seeks out to become a heroin addict. From my limited knowledge of this, most drug addicts tend to start off on 'softer' drugs, no? They don't grow up dreaming of becoming a heroin addict! Many of those people have come from horrific backgrounds, grown up around drugs, have mental illnesses etc

I wonder what you think about the treatment of anorexia? Is that just a matter of willpower too?

In my brothers case the doctors are now saying he is on the autistic spectrum and certainly as a child his behaviour was 'different' but back then 40 yrs ago it was not recognised and it seems he may have used drugs to self medicate and feel 'part' of something as he always felt an outsdier at school.He is a good person and has been off drugs 10 years and deserves treatment as muxh as anyone.His illness was as severe as mine and in some ways worse as he really did seem to have nowhere to turn at times whereas the NHS were falling over themselves to help me

I repeat that I think we should have compassion for people in bad situations, no matter how they got there.

I am horrified by this thread. In there somewhere is a really interesting debate. But the attacks on the OP and others make this impossible to follow. There is a note at the top of this thread from MN saying "we don't allow personal attacks, however unreasonable you think someone is."

There are plenty of personal attacks here. yes it's an emotive subject and I get the feeling that many people have been personally affected by the subject being covered. but you are not doing yourself any favours.

ALouiseG - there is actually, it's called either Binge Eating Disorder or Compulsive Overeating see here

But that doesn't answer the question. Do you believe that an eating disorder is self inflicted enough to not deserve treatment? Or do you believe it is an illness? If the latter, what is the difference between ED and drug use?

Nemo hoping I don't sound patronising, but I just wanted to say how brave and amazing your post was. It really moved me, and I hope you are so very proud of yourself.

I agree with skihorse really

Also, at Uni (and this isn't my field but was his so sorry but no links) my Tutor used to tell me about research showing that drug users with legal access to heroin managed to hold down jobs and not become prostitutes / muggers etc. I ahd a very strong criminalisation beleif until then but it amde me think a bit more.

I am sorry about your cancer, used to work for Macmillan so have some practical idea of your fights if not (thank goodness) and personal experience, I do know how ahrd it is to constantlyb fuight for what you need as I have two disabled children and absolutely it can be galling to see people seemingly take risks with the things ythey have when my boys fight for so much0 in your case life itself I guess, for my kids independence.

I wish you luck in your fight for the meds and I hope one day we have a world where nobody needs fight to get meds, or to seld mediucate horrible abuse etc. I know drugs are far more complex that that but as long as that is some peroples history- well, how sad

Spicedgerkin - am confused by your assertion that
'It isn';t the NHS who pick up the tab, it's tax payers' - the NHS has a finite budget so of course it's the NHS which picks up the tab surely ? Unless they nip over to the MOD for a hand out when they're getting a bit strapped ?

Nemo - I'd like to echo SirBoobAlot, my DP is in recovery and I know from his experience just how hard it is.

Nemo - I agree, I crossed posts with you and you have written very eloquently about the subject, without being rude to the OP.

'Eating disorders are very interesting, they are generally classed as mental health disorders when a person is under eating in the case of Anorexia Nervosa yet there is rarely a mental health diagnosis on an overeater.

My honest opinion?

It's a structural one

DS1 was finally referred to eating disorder clinic today, as he has a very low weight big issues ewtc. There is however no team and therefore no possibility of dx, for over eaters.

You can't get a dx with a dx giver.

"If addicts don't get drugs they eventually recover, they don't need costly treatment whereas a cancer sufferer will die without treatment. It degrades illness to liken it to addiction"

aliouse, how wrong you are with that idiotic statement! If addicts dont get drugs to control the withdrawal they become severely ill.

45% of addicts die from going through cold detox, 15% die from going through medical assisted detox!

Alcoholism and drugs are not a disease, they are a illness.

Thanks, SirBoobAlot.

Dh says I should write a book about it one day!

Nemo you are amazing

Well done

and for shwoing me today of all days that eating disorders aren't the end. Thank you.

And yes littlemrshappy- dont know about teh figures but absolutely agree detox can kill

Die from detox without help, or stay on drugs- how useful a choice for society is that exactly?

Fallon I'm sorry to hear your story, and as a cancer patient myself, understand the anger, frustration and questioning that accompanies this horrible illness.

But I don't see it in terms of me being more or less deserving than other people. I think drug addiction is a terribly sad thing for both addicts and their families, I am all for anything which can be done to help them. As far as I understand it, its not a simple life option. The same with other 'self induced' diseases.

I think compassion for others, whatever their circumstances, is a more peaceful state of mind; life is not really about who deserves what IMO, its about treating everyone with as much dignity as possible, and helping them in their struggles.

Illness isn't really about who deserves what, its about the fact that shit happens to people indiscriminately, and a caring society doesn't judge who should and shouldn't be treated, it does its best for everyone.

Nemo there is a real need for books that are from real experience You sound like the perfect potential author

Fairynuff Sassy However the point still stands that ultimately we as tax payers fund the NHS and how can we tell people yes your paying for it but you're not actually worthy enough to use it?

Clarissimo it really isn't the end.

If you (or your DS) would like to talk to someone who has been through things I have a lovely (male) friend who I was in the psychiatric unit with who is a recovered anorexic. We help out with teens who are currently undergoing treatment for various conditions. Please let me know if you do.

'Ease up a bit on the OP! Which of us has had to cope with something vile, yet never thought how unfair it was that others get away so easily? Are you super-humanly charitable?
'

so true PC

(sorry about multi posts, in middle of summat ehre)

I know a little of the anger- every time I meet a aprent with a child damaged through not using a decent car seat / drinking in pregnancy / taking drugs and think WTF am I having to battle for resources because people like you couldn't be arsed to take some responsibility

But I wouldnt wish them to go without the help, just not to have needed it in teh first palce IYSWIM

SIrBooALot
thank

I will save this post and probably email you in a few days once I have my ehad around it.

Thanks again.

Off topic, but felt I had to say

Clarissimo - there is so much hope beyond eating disorders. I'm a member of a forum dedicated to eatind disorders, in the past year there have been at least 5 babies/conceived to recovering mothers, and there've been weddings too many to count. So many people are unrecognisable from this time last year, the recoveries have been hard and long, but the girls I know prove that it isn't the end. And in a lot of their cases, they've used it tostart again. Three are currently training to be nurses/counsellors/psychiatrists.