To be hacked off over "contaminated"heroin.

[fallon8]

I may have pressed wrong button and posted this elsewhere,I aplogise if I have.
Dog walking, thinking time.
Why does Radio Scotland in droning voice keep telling us that ex amount of peolple have died thru taking comtaminted heroin? Apparently is contains Anthrax and a few bods have died. Surely, they shouldnt be taking the bloody stuff in the first place.
Thru' no fault of my own,I have been treated for Breast Cancer 4 times and continue on long term stuff to try and keep it at bay. I sometimes have to argue my case to get a more expensive drug which has less side effects.Why should resources which could be spent on me and others like me be used for twats who bring it on themselves? Dont mention, smoking, too much alchohol, obesity either!!! To get into the Chemo Room,you rung the gauntlet of patients hooked up to their treatment fagging it outside,i know they maybe on the way out, but I dont care,but why waste the cash? I know, I know, I shouldnt let it get to me,but it does.

oh ffs!!!! but its not self inflicted can you not understand that!!!!!!!!!

for most people drugs r an escape from pain they feel inside, and its addiction...something people have no control over!

and as for self harmers, people with eating disorders etc, they didnt ask for that any more than you didnt ask for cancer!

clarissimo, dont even bother trying to argue your point some people just cant be arsed to listen!!!

Don't worry dusty, been on MN long enough to be somewhat immune- and someone who wishes a disabled kid dead or sorry without help is beneath me anyway

Becuase I would do anything for a child no matter whose they were or who they were

It's a fundamental part of my definition of who I want to be

Ia ctually ahve a friend who is 5st and has had anorexia for years- she's certainly not blameless but given that her kids Dad is in priosn and a sex offender (ooh can we see a picture of what sent friend over edge here...), and only Grandparent surviving too old to hellp, I really hope she gets enough help to live so her girls can have a parent. There's rarely such a thing as an isolated person: behind every person, no matter how self inflivetd we see their illness, is a whole network of dependants and loved ones who just want their mum / daughter / brotehr to survive. I can sort of see how someone might lose compassion for the drug taker in such a scenario, but everyone in their circle? Wow

i have been on mn for years and have never joined in, in any long pointless aibu threads!! but you fallon, you really really got my back up!! i have total symphathy for you and your battle with cancer! but judging people by what they do to themselves (which is in most cases a illness in itself) is just plain wrong!!!!

oh and no matter how you put it, you def said they deserve to die!!!

night xx

i really dont think fallon said she wants disbaled kids to die, did she???

valhalla's post is the best one on here.

I hate to rain on people's self-congratulatory parade here but no one beats breast cancer. You don't survive because you're a better person or say om shanti om more frequently. That really, really fucks me off - the idea that people who survive cancer are somehow better than those who succumb. Utter fucking bollocks. How dare you diss those that died? This is not some game of top trumps, it's people's lives.

This thread is idiotic

YANBU.

Recently, I had a health scare that shook me up pretty badly (not as unlucky as OP, hope you're on the mend). I had to wait four weeks just to get this health problem looked at by a hospital specialist whilst...

...my obese ex-work colleague gets whisked into hospital for a gastric band op' within six weeks of being referred. The scare that I had could have been life-threatening if it had materialised, and it would have been a fast spreader. I'd have thought that it would have been a bit more urgent than someone getting a gastric band fitted...

Anyhoo, I don't think that addicts should be left to die but I do think that priority should be given to people with serious illnesses. Sorry if that ruffles feathers but that's how I feel. Seeing relatives dying and being refused drugs that could have potentially helped them because their health authority won't fork out is beyond painful. Realising that said health authority is bankrolling sending obese people to WeightWatchers rubs your nose in it a wee bit.

OK, I am ready for my flaming.

cupcakes, the person fitting the band, wouldn't have been the same as the one you needed to see.

Even if no gastric bands were fitted that year, it wouldn't have made your appointment any wuicker.

I understand that, Gherkin. It was probably a poor example. I should have said that maybe if less was spent on those that inflicted their ills upon themselves, there would be more to spend on those who didn't ask for it.

I KNOW I'll be causing a furore with what I am saying but it does make you bitter. My mum knows a skag addict who's been sent to rehab six times on the NHS. It costs £2000 per week. He's been for a total of sixteen weeks. It would have cost the NHS £9000 to give my granny some drugs to help beat her breast cancer but no. Too expensive. To my mind, someone who keeps injecting themself with this stuff doesn't want to live. My granny wanted to live, but the NHS didn't think she was worth the money. It makes me sad and yeah, it makes me bitter. Sorry.

Ok, I've been away from this thread and thought about it some more.

What strikes me isn't just how awful the original post is, but the fact that the OP got told exactly how offensive her views were, and then comes back on to post a "be nice to me I have cancer" message. Ffs! And at first I thought "aww be nice to her, she's going through hell", but I then realised that no matter how candidily other posters on here have spoken about the hell they've been through she has not once been nice to them. Instead she continues to spout nonsense about how much more worthy of help she is.

As for "oh it's easy for them to get help", no, no it isn't! Not even vaguely, especially the eating disorders, I have friends with anorexia who don't qualify until they go under a specified weight! By which time they are so far into the disorder they are almost beyond help - and thank fuck that help is available, even if it is too late. I'd have lost a lot of very good friends otherwise.

Do you hear that with cancer? "Sorry you have cancer, but you aren't cancerous enough, please come back when you are almost beyond the point of no return" Seriously, how can you equate the two?!

Same goes for drug abuse, alcoholism, self harm, obesity. Help has to be begged for! It's oh so easy to sit on the outside and judge. It took me ten years (and counting) to get help for self harm. I've seen the inside of my thighs!!! Do you know what the fatty tissue inside your leg looks like?!

You are not being denied treatment so they can get help with their problems. And if you are in a queue behind them for cancer treatment, it's because they have cancer. So are just as deserving as you. But I have more sympathy for them because they aren't claiming some higher ground and demand that you don't get treated due to being incredibly nasty.

cupcakes - would the treatment have saved your granny's life or just extended it for a few small months? Because that's how NICE works - cost vs length of life. And while it might not seem a very fair deal to you, spending £2k on someone who is going to die anyway is a pretty poor use of funds. Spending the same amount of money on someone who might turn their life around and contribute to society is a much better use of resources. Of course, there is a different discussion to be had on whether there should be a cap on treatment but my understanding is that the persistent addict actually costs the country a hell of a lot more if you leave them be (keeping someone in prison is hugely expensive)

Cupcakes, im no expert on gastric bands, but my understanding was it is usually only recommended as a last resort for people who are obese who also have a condition that poses a serious health risk, such as diabetes, high blood pressure or heart disease.

Perhaps your friends condition was serious and urgent?

Kaloki I was nodding all the way through reading that. And you are so right with the weigh thing A friend of mine kept being told, on her home visits, "We'll discuss more support" etc. She is currently being tube fed after being rushed in after nearly having a heart attack. She weighs just over 5st.

Am going to send you some hugs as well because I think you bloody well deserve them. The imagines from self harm never leave you, do they? The scars fade, and you can keep them covered, but they are always there. Keep on fighting. x

Koloki, it infuriates me that people actually think alcoholics, drug abusers actually get help willy nilly, in my own family life its the complete opposite!

so much so I buried my own father at the tender age of 41.

He turned to alcoholism at 39 (his 1st ever drink) due to the death mother, his father his sister, his baby niece, his grandchild (my sister full term baby) the bankruptcy of his businesses, and the mental health breakdown of his wife (my mum) also in the same year my mother buried her father, and her nephew.

Dad turned to drink and it turned into cirrosis of the liver (cancer) and when the NHS would not help him, he went cold turkey and died!

Since then we have had a compensation payout due to Dads medical neglect, which we donated to SANDS.

Nobody knows the reason behind the addiction, but clearly by the attitude of the OP, he should be killed anyway by the NHS, incidentally HE WAS!

Still on phone, will get those figures for you x

koloki, i know excactly what you saying about the inside of your thighs, im excactly the same and am still waiting for 9 years,(was 13 when this all started) which have included heroin addiction and serveral suicide attempt including leaving myself in a coma and countless trips to hospital for stitches!
and then to be told by op, that i shouldnt be entitilted to care if i was to get cancer!!!

why do i keep coming back to this thread!!!

Ladybiscuit, we were told by a Macmillan nurse that the drugs refused my grandma could have extended her life by five years. Five years probably seems like an eternity when you're faced with imminent death.

I don't want to be misunderstood in my stacnce on treating addicts/obese/anorexic patients. I do believe that they are all entitled to help but I also think that if treatment has failed once, maybe twice the NHS should say "no more". I remember some time ago watching GMTV (I know!) 1nd Dr Hilary Jones wasa getting a bit irate with an obese man who'd been into rehab four times and given some kind of surgery to help with his weight but he was still eating the same way as he did before. The man was blaming the NHS for not doing more for him. I think that four stints in rehab and surgery is ample. Surely there has to be some input from the patient? I probably sound harsh because I don't have an addictive personality and I gave up smoking easily and lost 4 stone relatively easy. When I put on a lot of weight after my pregnancy I asked my GP what do to to lose weight for good and he said "eat less, do more" Sage advice that if some people took on board it might save the NHS millions... Just a little bit of my wonders why people with addictions can't think "this is killing me. I need to stop" but then again I have no experience of addictions so I don't understand and am probably belittling what addicts got through by saying that.

cupcakes, anyone with suspected cancer is referred to a specialist within 2 weeks and treatment started within 31 days of diagnosis.

I'm sorry about your Gran, not sure when this happened or why, but I can assure you I have had every treatment available thrown at me, plus free prescriptions, free wigs, free prothesis, free reconstruction surgery, free counselling etc. I haven't had to fight for any of it, it's all been offered. I don't feel any sense of entitlement to any of these things, I'm just very grateful for the NHS and the support they give.

My Dad died of cancer, he wasn't actually given any treatment, simply because the cancer was too far gone by the time he was diagnosed and there was nothing that could be done. It was palliative care he received. Very hard to swallow, but it wasn't because they didn't care, it was about maximising the quality of the time he had left.

cupcakes - wow! I'm really shocked to hear what the Macmillan nurse said about the drugs! No one will give me any prognosis at all!

wubbly I had suspected malignant melanoma. I was referred to the dermatology clinic as a "rapid access". I got a letter for an appointment six weeks down the line. When I called the hospital to see if they could get me in quicker they said no because the specialist I was booked in to see was on a three week holiday and the others were full. The secretary that I spoke to admitted that I should have been seen quicker but they were choc-full.

The care that my grandma did receive was really good and the Macmillan nurses were fantastic.

Sorry to hear about your dad. I know it's a struggle watching a loved one die of cancer. I hope that you are OK too.

OP, I really wish you would think before telling people on here they don't know what you've been through. This is the internet dear, you don't know who you are talking to.
And yes, I do know what you're going through, not first hand but I lost my gran to lung cancer and my aunt to breast cancer, I also have a thirteen year old sister who is showing signs of bowel cancer which is being investigated.
So if you want to start going down the line of who deserves treatment first I would like to push my sister to the front of the line as she is more likely to live a fuller life after treatment than a man/woman in their forties.

Of course the world does not work like that.

I'm sorry you didn't have the help you needed, I've always found you have to fight for the more expensive drug anyway no matter what it's for. This does not excuse your outrageous claims.

Agree completely with cupcakesandbunting, MacMillan are fantastic!

wubblybubbly...men do not get offered "free" wigs when having chemo, only women.
Do you honestly consider all the things you mentioned a "gift" I'm sure its one gift lots of us would happily pass on.

I did have a disabled child who died at the age of2 weeks,That was far worse than living with cancer.
I dont think I acutally said disabled chldren deserved to die.
It gets my back up when told" you'll be a better person after this..I was a great person before, thankyou very much.
I survive to spite people

fallon8, I don't think I said a gift anywhere. I simply said I am grateful for all of the support that I'm getting from the NHS, they're not responsible for my cancer, they're trying to save my bloody life!

Of course I feel angry, depressed, hopeless and determined at different times. I don't think cancer has made me a better person, I haven't changed at all, I'm still who I was, minus a breast and fighting a battle with cancer.

Of course people often struggle for say something to say, what can they say? It can become irritating to constantly hear about 'positive vibes' but in the main I appreciate that they mean well and it's difficult for them too! In many ways, I think it's harder for those around you who love you.

I'm really puzzled by you saying you survive to spite people. I really don't understand what you mean by that

I survive to spite people

nice, really nice

"Just a little bit of my wonders why people with addictions can't think "this is killing me. I need to stop" but then again I have no experience of addictions so I don't understand and am probably belittling what addicts got through by saying that."

It's difficult to describe. There is a voice inside you, the same one SirBoobALot described earlier in the thread. It is virtually impossible to ignore. Which I know is a difficult thing to imagine without having experienced it. And this is just in the cases without a chemical addiction on top.

The other thing to remember is that you are never cured. Right now I'm not self harming, I am not cured, I am still a self harmer, I always will be. It's like it's taken root in my head, you can try to ignore the voice but it never leaves. All you do is manage it. Which is such a tough thing to do, sometimes the voice is so insistent, telling me to ignore it would feel like telling me to ignore the instinct to breath.

Sorry I didnt eman youa ctually said you wanted disabled kids to die

But withdrawing eating disorder servies would very possibly equate to that for my child

Which is where the linkc ame in, from my experience