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To be hacked off over "contaminated"heroin.

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fallon8 · 13/04/2010 11:06

I may have pressed wrong button and posted this elsewhere,I aplogise if I have.
Dog walking, thinking time.
Why does Radio Scotland in droning voice keep telling us that ex amount of peolple have died thru taking comtaminted heroin? Apparently is contains Anthrax and a few bods have died. Surely, they shouldnt be taking the bloody stuff in the first place.
Thru' no fault of my own,I have been treated for Breast Cancer 4 times and continue on long term stuff to try and keep it at bay. I sometimes have to argue my case to get a more expensive drug which has less side effects.Why should resources which could be spent on me and others like me be used for twats who bring it on themselves? Dont mention, smoking, too much alchohol, obesity either!!! To get into the Chemo Room,you rung the gauntlet of patients hooked up to their treatment fagging it outside,i know they maybe on the way out, but I dont care,but why waste the cash? I know, I know, I shouldnt let it get to me,but it does.

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LittleMrsHappy · 13/04/2010 21:31

www.dh.gov.uk/en/Managingyourorganisation/Financeandplanning/NHScostingmanual/index.htm

it s in their somewhere lol, im on my mobile so will have to do it tomorrow, I think its as a whole.

It has to be with the last figure I gave hopefully

LittleMrsHappy · 13/04/2010 21:32
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scottishmummy · 13/04/2010 21:58

your link LMH havent had chance to read it though

noddyholder · 13/04/2010 22:06

I erally hate teh term smack heads My brother found it really distressing

missmoopy · 13/04/2010 22:23

smack head and junkie are both horrible terms.

scottishmummy · 13/04/2010 22:26

such terms depersonalise and demonise.not helpful

Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:35

'I have a friend who has a daughter who has been Bulemic since 14,she is now 35.Victoria has had endless treatment, months in private clinics , funded by us, the tax payer, she has lost her driving licence due low weight, she regales us with her tales of how they fight the Establishment, climbing on the roof to get the fire brigade out, the escaping to village shop, hiding the teaspoon of yogourt in her shoes etc etc, she comes ut and goes back to shoving her fingers down her throat,her mum just is fed up,widowed,no life of her own. Yes we see you Victoria, albeit, only just, but please give us all a break.

huh? are you arguing people with eating disorders shouldn'tr get help?

My son is ten, and has AS which can be linked. Surely you couildn't begrudge him some help for soemthing that could be potentially fatal?

Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:35

Sorry, my son is ten, has anotrexia and AS

Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:37

Oh and another Q- were the people on the leaflet the Macmillan committee?

If so I an't say I am surprised, theya re all volunteers and often quite elderly, but as cvolunteers its up to them what they do. Without them there wouldn't be a MacMillan Nurse in the first place (NHS hire them after MacMillan has committed to financing for three eyars if it is still the same)

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fallon8 · 13/04/2010 22:45

dustycups,,,i ddint say they dersrved to die,I just said I thought it was unreasonable i have to fight to get some treatment for a disease which is not self inflicted.entirely different slant to your interpretation. Pleae do not lump me in with that section of society,adds insult to injury! could be you next week.

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Vallhala · 13/04/2010 22:48

Apologies for not reading all the posts but I'd just like to say this:

I'm a breast cancer survivor who has a close relative who is a drug addict (heroin amongst other things). This man has stolen from his kid (as in young child) brother, his mother, his step-father, trashed the family home, used extreme violence upon his 60 yo step-father, who has a serious heart condition and is half the size of the addict and repeatedly raped and sexually abused his own sister when she was a child. That sister now has mental health problems, is anorexic and has attempted suicide on several occasions, all of which have been put down to the addicts abuse of her by medical professionals. He has also been in prison for theft and GBH.

This addict was not an abused child and long after he stole from his family and smashed up their home they continued to give him support, help and money for accomodation (several times), as well as accomodating him in the family home.

Should I hear tonight that he is dead, I wouldn't grieve. The NHS hasn't got limitless funds and I would rather they spend what they have on cancer treatment and the addict's victims, such as his sister. In a perfect world we could treat everyone but until then he is at the very bottom of my list.

Fallon, to fight breast cancer as you have is a remarkable achievement. I hope to god that you never have to go through it again and wish you well.

tartyhighheels · 13/04/2010 22:49

wow - nice comment fallon8

just going to prove that suffering doesn't make you a better or more worthy person

eeew, you are nasty

Vallhala · 13/04/2010 22:50

Apologies for not reading all the posts but I'd just like to say this:

I'm a breast cancer survivor who has a close relative who is a drug addict (heroin amongst other things). This man has stolen from his kid (as in young child) brother, his mother, his step-father, trashed the family home, used extreme violence upon his 60 yo step-father, who has a serious heart condition and is half the size of the addict and repeatedly raped and sexually abused his own sister when she was a child. That sister now has mental health problems, is anorexic and has attempted suicide on several occasions, all of which have been put down to the addicts abuse of her by medical professionals. He has also been in prison for theft and GBH.

This addict was not an abused child and long after he stole from his family and smashed up their home they continued to give him support, help and money for accomodation (several times), as well as accomodating him in the family home.

Should I hear tonight that he is dead, I wouldn't grieve. The NHS hasn't got limitless funds and I would rather they spend what they have on cancer treatment and the addict's victims, such as his sister. In a perfect world we could treat everyone but until then he is at the very bottom of my list.

Fallon, to fight breast cancer as you have is a remarkable achievement. I hope to god that you never have to go through it again and wish you well.

Vallhala · 13/04/2010 22:51

Oh rollocks, sorry for the double post, my laptop's playing silly beggars.

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fallon8 · 13/04/2010 22:51

Hi Nemofish,,I probable didnt read all the posts! and Im sorry about your MIl,proves my point.
To the lady who asked if the committe was all MacMillan, no, none of them. the only paid person was the macmillan Nurse, the rest of us were patients who had/were having treatment.

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scottishmummy · 13/04/2010 22:52

doesn't actually matter how one acquires an illness.arguably many illness are lifestyle acquired eg CHD,some CA,CVA,elevated BP,high cholesterol.in such cases do we deny treatment or distinguish between the deserving ill and undeserving ill

what matters is humane treatment and respect

dustycups · 13/04/2010 22:52

you said that you didnt think that they should be given treatment! how is that a different slant!!!!

im currently battleing with self harm and suicide thoughts, but if i was to be diagonosed with cancer next week you reackon my treatment should come after someone who has never 'self abused'!!

if so fine...least i no where i stand!!!!!

Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:52

I guess the thing is though

if it were our children (and really, as Valhalla says anyone can become an addict) would be happy with no help being available?

I would not.

Most long term disorders face a fight that is endless and soul destroying for any support: I will still be a carer and fighting it until I die. But just becuase this is the particular syndrome that has hit our family does not mean we are guaranteed free of the effects of any other. My Uncle didn't take drugs but ended up having a nervous breakdown that has always been with him since his child died- had he taken drugs to self medicate very obvious suffering I would not have blamed him one iota. It was 30 years ago she died (we were weeks apart ion birth) and he still has no real life back.

I am sure there are some addicts who are bloody horrid people and do deserve little sympathy but withdrawal of support services does not just affect those but all of them.

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fallon8 · 13/04/2010 22:54

I didnt say they deserved to die, I said ,I resented paying for treatment for something which was self inflicted,despite all the vitriol against me, I stand by my original comments.

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Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:54

OK Fallon then it was a shame the committee didn't achieve much but if they were unpiad then that's often how these things go sadly. presumably th MAcMillan Nurse was there as facillitator- terhe's only so much she can do.

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fallon8 · 13/04/2010 22:55

I didnt say they deseved to die, i said, I resent paying for an illness which is self inflicted.Despite all the unecessary vitriol against me, I stand by my comments.

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Clarissimo · 13/04/2010 22:55

fallon you didnt answer my Q about whether you were saying eating disorders didnt deserve support as they were self inflicted, and whether you could therffore say my 10 year old anorexic, autistic spectrum disorder haviong son shoudlnt receive help as a result?

A service removed is a service gone, remember.

LadyBiscuit · 13/04/2010 22:58

But Vallhalla you can't determine treatment on the basis on one person. I know cancer victims who have smoked and then got cancer. I also know people who have never undertaken any known carcinogen-inducing activity and also got cancer. Is the latter more worthy of treatment than the former? No, of course not. If a person is ill (and yes, addiction is an illness) then they need help. I don't really care whether it's pulling out their eyebrows, a big lump on their leg or a disease that means they can't see properly. Illness is illness. The moment you start classifying and making one more deserving than another the closer you get to the scenario I described in my first post on this thread

SirBoobAlot · 13/04/2010 22:59

"Unnecessary"? Ha! And although you might have not used the exact words "they deserve to die", saying you should withhold treatment from people who need it is exactly the same thing.

If your illness had been caused by smoking, you would have still expected treatment, I'm sure. Same as if it would have been a loved one of yours.

You have actually received a lot of sympathy on here considering your delightful opening post. Everyone has wished you well, and has at least attempted to sympathise with why you are so bitter. But you keep on coming back with more delightful attacks on those of us that are not quite so perfect.

immortalbeloved · 13/04/2010 23:00

YABU

How would you feel if we all said "well you've had breast cancer four times, we've spent enough on you, the treatments clearly don't work for you let's just leave you to it" ?

I can understand you feeling bitter that life has dealt you such a crap hand, I hope you get more than your fair share of luck from now on, but wishing bad things on other people won't help you, and you can't lump people together like that, people are good and bad and individual wether they are addicts smokers or overweight