To be hacked off over "contaminated"heroin.

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I may have pressed wrong button and posted this elsewhere,I aplogise if I have.
Dog walking, thinking time.
Why does Radio Scotland in droning voice keep telling us that ex amount of peolple have died thru taking comtaminted heroin? Apparently is contains Anthrax and a few bods have died. Surely, they shouldnt be taking the bloody stuff in the first place.
Thru' no fault of my own,I have been treated for Breast Cancer 4 times and continue on long term stuff to try and keep it at bay. I sometimes have to argue my case to get a more expensive drug which has less side effects.Why should resources which could be spent on me and others like me be used for twats who bring it on themselves? Dont mention, smoking, too much alchohol, obesity either!!! To get into the Chemo Room,you rung the gauntlet of patients hooked up to their treatment fagging it outside,i know they maybe on the way out, but I dont care,but why waste the cash? I know, I know, I shouldnt let it get to me,but it does.

So Alouiseg - All fatties, smokers drinkers and druggies are to be left to rot, fair enough, is that anyone who has ever been/done those things included? will they get a discount on their taxes as it would be unfair to expect them to contribute to a system they will never benefit from.

I was going on your post that was giving her the benefit of the doubt twice, obviously you then posted to say otherwise. HTH

It's rather an emotional OP and TBH if it was someone I cared about getting a lesser treatment because drug addicts are getting treatment I'm sure a little part of me would think it was unfair. But each human being is worth saving.

spiced are you saying they do not get a extra £10 a week? I have to disagree if you are saying this, I work alongside people who do get this £10 extra a week.

we cross posting lol x

X posts no, i was saying that they don't get it per day and that Mal was saying they do.

To clear this up, drug addicts and alcoholics get the higher rate DLA not a top on JSA or IS.
Hostels do give cash for what is meant to be for food & clothing. The one where my uncle works also give food packages, soap powder and occasionally tents if there are no rooms left.

Anyway, YABU.
I know for a fact that most addicts come from horrible backgrounds, I lost a cousin on Xmas Eve 2008 to an overdose. She was the cleanest junkie I'd ever seen, always took care of herself and tried to get clean on many occasions. As dustycups will tell you it is not an easy thing to do. My cousin never stole from anyone or cheated any system, she took what the government says she was entitled to.
Of course people of all sorts are entitled to treatment, they are all someone's family.

It's not just about the individual but what would it say about our society if we tiered people based upon worth? The life of an addict is already pretty grim, then what about criminals? Fat people? Smokers? which order would they go in? What about a nervous person? Shy? Someone who forgets to look when they cross the road, should we not send an ambulance
??

@Alouiseg

Just exactly the sort of post I would expect from you really.

I can see where you are coming from.
My brother has diabetes because he eats and drinks far too much.
Because he has diabetes he is put to the top of the queue for evey appointment/treatment.

I have a long term debilitating illness. The NHS has given one course of pain treatment and that's it.

The system does sometimes seem unfair.

My BIL was a heroin addict...he did it because he liked it, he did get treatment, then lived in a council house on benefits. He was not from an abusive home.
My other BIL was a cocaine and heroin user. He wasn't from an abusive home either. He also lives in a council house, on benefits with regular NHS treatment.

You cannot automatically assume that all drug users are the result of terrible trauma and are more worthy than others who suffer illness.

Life is basically not perfect, and often unfair.

Life is not that simple.My brother was a heroin addict for years and finally after putting us all through hell stopped in 1999 when I was near deaths door on dialysis and in 2000 donated a kidney to me which saved my life and his and gave my 6 yr old ds his mum back.Don't judge you never know what is round the corner

I do think that if you have a smoking related illness and you continue to smoke you are spitting in the face of the medical team who are trying to help you.

They should still help you though.

My cousin was a heroin addict and eventually killed himself. I believe his addiction was a product of his mental illness. He was a violent and nasty person. That doesn't mean that his depression and addiction didn't need treating just because he didn't "deserve" it.

Luckily we don't run our health service on the basis of one persons moral judgements.

Posie why just aim it at addicts, why not peoples who needs heart ops due to eating too much fatty foods and clogging their arteries, why not a footballer who went out and injured themselves through their chosen game, why not a woman who did not go for her smear, why not a person who had a abortion due to her promiscuous?

Surly if it boils down to money why does one person need overcome another.

I understand the emotional attachment to the person suffering, but thankfully our NHS does determine a persons entitlement by emotion, but through need, and unfortunately their does have to be a expense limit, the NHS odes not have a unlimited source of money trees.

Were lucky that we have a service that caters for all medical needs,

posieparker Said it perfectly.

OP I am really sorry to hear what you are going through, and really hope things get much better for you.

Just remember though, that the reason people are getting upset is that you are telling a fair amount of people that they aren't worthy of help.

As a self harmer, who is overweight and has a history of eating disorders, I fall squarely into your category of not deserving help. I haven't helped myself apparently. And yes, from the outside, I agree, however you don't know how much I've done to help myself. Or anyone else who has self inflicted problems.

The problem is we have a healthcare system that is free at the point of use and because of that lots of people don't feel that there is a consequence to them for their actions because the good old NHS will pick up the pieces and the bill.

My brother is a junkie, he didn't have a horrible life, he is just a weak willed twat who thinks that the world is wrong and he is right.

Smoking and drinking and eating are not illegal therefore it is churlish to compare them with taking class A drugs. There cannot be a person in the country over the age of 6 who is not aware that illegal drugs are very harmful and dangerous.

It's about time people took responsibility for their actions. Mental health wards are full to bursting with people who have developed psychosis from smoking marijuana. While i'm well aware that lots of people can take drugs without particular harm to themselves it is a measured risk and not one that i feel the NHS should have to carry the can for.

spiced I am actually agreeing with you, that why on my 1st post to you I said I am "assuming" she means a week not day

Maybe Im confused here lol, it does not take much

I disagree that every human life is worth saving - the planet would be in a far better state with a few million less humans.

The culling of "undesireables" is probably only a few decades away, once the earth's resources start to run out, it's only a matter of time.

aint it funny how all those druggies and alcoholics r proberly outside enjoying themselves (even in a spaced out state) in the sunshine and we r all sat inside argueing whether they have the right to live!!!

doesn't determine a person by emotion.

wasn't winston churchill a drunk, would you cull him malifience

For me the problem isn't so much the addict themselves (I believe along with others that very few people wake up one morning and think "I know, I will become a smack addict" - it's usually more of a slow disintergration into a life no-one would chose, due to circumstances most of us would rather not even know about), but about the crime that surrounds the illegal drug trade.

Much, if not most, violent crime in the UK is in some way connected to hard drugs, much, if not most gangs killings are related to controlling the drug trade, and many, many "innocents" get caught up in it along the way.

I don't know whether legalising drugs is or isn't the answer but if you did, and could control distribution, it would free up A LOT of resources to help those people in danger of sliding into hard drug addiction, and to treat those who are already there.

OP - I hope you have beaten the cancer, it is an awful disease.

What gives someone the right to decide whether someone should die? Haven't we done away with capital punishment. Just because someone is doing something you don't like that doesn't mean they should die.

My brother was a heroin addict for years, my mum and dad split and he started drinking, cannibis and worked up to heroin. He has been clean for 8 years and has a beautiful 7 yr old boy. He works hard and pays taxes.

I would rather people were given a second chance instead of being put to death. What a ridiculously snobby thing to say.

well said

Strange shit sense of humour you've got there Dustycups.