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Original poster

to think nicky hambleton jones is irresponsible and ridiculous

147 replies

woahthere · 12/04/2010 22:20

this quote in particular has got my back up....
'Eventually, when he was eight days old and screaming all the time, I gave him formula milk: he was a transformed baby. The best thing I ever did was forget the breast and move on to the bottle.'

The whole article has annoyed me to be honest, it is about her horrible birth but has been written with the angle of...home birth is dangerous and why bother breastfeeding you'll just get cracked nipples. silly cow.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1265496/Nicky-Hambleton-Jones-shunned-NHS-private-home-birth--thi ngs-went-terribly-wrong-.html#ixzz0kvHmx1a9

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tethersend · 12/04/2010 23:02

She is a dick.

But she's not a dick because she hates breastfeeding and wrote about it.

JustAnotherManicMummy · 12/04/2010 23:02

Bit of a non-story really. Woman has un-realistic expectation of birth and gets disappointed with the reality.

The fact she hawks nasty specs is irrelevant. Like the rest of the article.

yawn. Next!

SpawnChorus · 12/04/2010 23:07

Passay - can't believe you're getting involved in a BFing thread. I'll be seeing you on the next Parent & Child parking bunfight next!

Or is this your incarnation for getting stuck into the "passé" MN rucks? [lame pun emoticon]

Original poster
woahthere · 12/04/2010 23:09

'even if she was one of the above, she is entitled to feed her baby how she chooses'

hellooo, when did i say anything to the contrary?!

I didnt pick on the article. I read it and felt it was very negative about homebirth and breastfeeding and that she was cashing in on her drama that so many others go through. I also found her judgements about nhs hospitals a bad thing to publicise. It is very rare to read positive experiences about these things and I find that frustrating. Breastfeeding rates are so low as it is that articles like this dont help.

I may relent a little and say I dont know her and maybe she did have a bad experience so it might be out of order calling her names...BUT I still think its shitty to print this kind of stuff. I literally read and felt outraged and thats probably because it is a sore point for me having had negativity about my choice of hb and bf and then I vented my outrage. I do also find it funny the inconsistencies in the story and think its very over the top account...8 days or 2 weeks, which was it?

I think all of you who have started slating me as being anti formula etc have not read any of my posts (because I have never said that) and just like making your point about it.

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bibbitybobbityhat · 12/04/2010 23:16

But why should she pretend it didn't happen?
Giving birth and breastfeeding can be terrible. Why is she not allowed to say so?

Although in life I am definitely a glass half full person I do see birth and breastfeeding presented to the world in unrealistic terms. I think first time mothers should hear more of the grittier stories than the other way round, tbh, although of course if they don't want to know and don't want to hear it shouldn't be forced upon them.

TheFallenMadonna · 12/04/2010 23:17

I think it was maybe the fact that you chose the quote you did to be particularly riled about suggests it was a formula thing...

EvilTwins · 12/04/2010 23:18

Ya know what, whoathere - if this kind of article really gets your back up, why don't you just avoid the DM?

I bet the Guardian didn't print it. And I doubt you'd find it on the BBC website.

Just a thought.

Original poster
woahthere · 12/04/2010 23:20

she is perfectly entitled to say that hse had a terrible experience BUT it is the very unclever use of words that makes it read so badly. E.g: I gave him formula milk: he was a transformed baby. You cant deny that impressionable people will read that and make a decision, those words jumped out at me and will at other people too.

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AitchTwoZone · 12/04/2010 23:21

i did find nhj fairly detestable on her show, though, it must be said.

Original poster
woahthere · 12/04/2010 23:22

eviltwins, i really should stop looking at mailonline, it is indeed a very bad habit but i just love seeing what suri cruise is wearing too much

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AitchTwoZone · 12/04/2010 23:22

if he lost twenty five per cent of his birth weight he would have been staaaaaaarving. the hospitals push hard for supplementation at over twelve and a half per cent. i'm sure he was transformed.

tethersend · 12/04/2010 23:23

EvilTwins has a point- if you want to worry about impressionable people reading the DM, you may be there for some time...

TheFallenMadonna · 12/04/2010 23:24

Is it only OK to write about it if you wear a hair shirt then?

Original poster
woahthere · 12/04/2010 23:27

how did it get to that point of losing 25% birth weight?? do you not think the truth may have been embellished somewhat? if it wasnt then someone wasnt doing their job properly.

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AitchTwoZone · 12/04/2010 23:30

well, dur.

TheFallenMadonna · 12/04/2010 23:31

My niece lost a quarter of her birth weight. My sister expressed milk for a month as she couldn't latch on properly. Help from a LLL counsellor, but limited success. Then she gave her formula, and I'm afraid, yes - transformed baby. Could more have been done? Don't know. But for my sister - that wasn;t really the point by that stage.

Original poster
woahthere · 12/04/2010 23:33

shit, i cant believe i just googled hair shirt...best put the glass away now and go to bed.

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brimfull · 12/04/2010 23:34

god formula was my saviour with dd
I felt so bloody guilty but she was transformed as well after 8 weeks of hell

honeydragon · 12/04/2010 23:39

Hey I like the dm - its entertaining! But with JustAnotherManicMummy -non story - get the impression from the article that this is more her trying to justify not getting the birth she probablytold everyone she would have. So she gave her baby formula - so what lots of mums do - perhaps she was one of the Mummies who know EVERYTHING whilst they are preggers and then have to make a really big deal about why things haven't gone as they said it would -when it comes as a shock that these things really cant go like you plan them, pride before a fall syndrome kinda thing?

pigletmania · 13/04/2010 00:00

YABU bf was not right for her and her baby, and she did what she thought was best and should not feel guilty about it she has a happy and healthy baby. Alot of mums beat themselves up about not being able to bf to the point that it contributes to their PND as the rational is that they have let their babies down and are failures as mothers, me being one of them. They should not feel guilty about having to resort to formula just because it goes against Mumsnet 'breast is best' promtion on here. Well breast was not best for that mum obviously.

AitchTwoZone · 13/04/2010 01:09

actually that's pissed me off, piglet. where exactly on this thread are you reading a 'Mumsnet breast is best' line? and breast is best, anyone who doesn't accept that is being a bit of an idiot tbh. it doesn't, however, mean that in many instances formula is a godsent product.

BritFish · 13/04/2010 01:34

just to clear something up for OP here:

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE NEGATIVE ABOUT SOMETHING.

if she had a shit birth experience and uses formula, what the hell does it matter?

plenty of people have shit natural births and have to have emergency CS, are they not allowed to complain because it would affect other peoples opinions of natural birth?

on your logic, people shouldnt be allowed to say that breastfeeding [for example] is good or bad because that would be biased.

AitchTwoZone
"where exactly on this thread are you reading a 'Mumsnet breast is best' line? and breast is best, anyone who doesn't accept that is being a bit of an idiot tbh"

thats quite a spectacular contradiction there, and quite insulting to people who use formula.
just because its NATURAL doesnt mean its bloody best.
breastfeeding good, formula good. whatever feel better for you and your baby.
everyone bangs on about being 'natural'
if the 'natural' way is so good, then why do we need ANY medical help ever?

scoutliam · 13/04/2010 01:51

If only we could segregate these, sniff, mothers, from the rest of us eh OP ?
Love to chat more but I believe there's a stoning going on in the village for the non breast feeders and I don't want to miss the start.

CwtchyMama · 13/04/2010 07:41

Someone i know had a home birth & it all went wrong,cue her collapsing & having to be blue lighted to the nearest hospital.

She had to have emergency surgery & was very lucky to be alive.

Fair enough as these things happen & noone can know the future,but this woman then told everyone that it had gone great & she would heartily recommend a home birth.

To me that is wrong as it is giving the wrong impression,i admire NHJ for telling it how it was.

Rollmops · 13/04/2010 07:48

It was her choice to switch to formula and her opinion on homebirth, she is entiteld to both.
Absolutely agree with her re homebirth and it's my opinion and none of your business, really.