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Hating the middle/upper classes

270 replies

Ryoko · 31/03/2010 16:34

I was brought up on a council estate, my dad worked full time, we got some benefits.

Work is hard to find (1 in 3 people in London is unemployed) the unskilled can't even get a job flipping burgers because the Uni educated are clogging up the jobs market.

Is it wrong for me to hate the upper/middle classes?

I live in a private rented accommodation now with my other half, we both work full time
and we will need state help to pay for the baby to go to nursery or to support me to stay at home.

All I hear from the middle/upper class is insults aimed at those on benefits or in council housing or just plain working class, calling us all scroungers, work shy, underclass etc, they seem convinced that living on benefits is great the poor are poor because they are lazy and are sponging off of them and that the poor should not be allowed to have kids if they need help from the tax payer to bring them up.

while moaning about how there tax money is given to the underclass they don't bat an eyelid at running multiple cars, jetting off on holidays, think that owning a home is a right not a privilege and spend obscene amounts of money on fashion, gadgets and the like.

Am I wrong to hate them as much as they hate us?

Do the middle / upper class no longer see the working class as the salt of the earth people because political correctness has stopped them blaming societies ills on other groups so the poor working class is the last easy target for them?.

OP posts:
5DollarShake · 31/03/2010 17:14

I'm still laughing at 33% of Londoners being unemployed.

I suppose if you take into account babies, toddlers, school-age kids and OAPs, that figure might stand up.

Rockbird · 31/03/2010 17:15

PMSL @ free horse with every uni place

Do you get to choose between black, chestnut, piebald, skewbald, bay, roan, palomino? Argh, I know a lot about horse, maybe I'm middle class? Or maybe I did a shit job working with them for not much money. Who knows?

ZZZenAgain · 31/03/2010 17:16

the horses are free then but you still need to feed them - and we're back flipping the burgers.

Don't they clog up the drains though?

brogan2 · 31/03/2010 17:16

That statement (1 in 3) followed by CD's statistics pun followed by the OP questioning CD's statistical pun will have me laughing all week!

bumpsoon · 31/03/2010 17:17

oh bugger i have a horse ,does this mean i will have to sell it because i dont have a degree ?
OP could it possibly be that you are feeling a weensy bit hormonal and therefore generally got at ? Nobody hates you because you may need to claim tax credits when you have your baby ,nobody thinks you are a chav or scum ,i think with the exception of a few daily mail pundits and the odd slightly right of kengis khan politicain ,most people are too busy getting on with their own lives to care too much about how you run yours

Original poster
Ryoko · 31/03/2010 17:18

Many people are stuck in the catch 22 of can't get a job because they are unskilled, can't get any skills because they can't get a job.

Those who can afford to pay for skills are making life harder for those that can't afford it and who the banks will not loan to.

I'd vote for Socialist Labour but they don't stand here.

Chav stands for Council House And Violent (well thats what I heard anyway).

OP posts:
brogan2 · 31/03/2010 17:18

No white horses though, Rockbird. Only the WC think you get white horses!

Morloth · 31/03/2010 17:18

One of the jobs I had was cleaning out racehorse stables at 4am - does that count?

You could of course make horse burgers, thus nicely combining the entitlements?

ZZZenAgain · 31/03/2010 17:18

you could have free hay for uni graduates t ostop them infringing on the working class jobmarket

benefits really.

How's that?

Librashavinganotherbiscuit · 31/03/2010 17:18

"the horses are free then but you still need to feed them - and we're back flipping the burgers."

You could always turn the horses into burgers thus setting up your own business and becoming middle class so being able to afford, by default apparently, university.

brogan2 · 31/03/2010 17:18

Why don't you move out of London?

zapostrophe · 31/03/2010 17:19

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Shodan · 31/03/2010 17:19

I went to Uni, but didn't finish. Does that mean I get part of a horse?

Where were they handing them out? I missed the queue.

Anyway. No matter. I'm all into equality so I hate everybody.

bumpsoon · 31/03/2010 17:19

Actually when i think about it ,i only own half the horse and i have a diploma ,so thats ok then isnt it

CountessDracula · 31/03/2010 17:19

no it doesn't

Given there are about 7.5 million people in london, 60% (roughly) of who are of a working age there would have to be 1,485,000 Londoners unemployed (or if, as the OP asserts, 33% of all Londoners are unemployed, nearly 2.5 million unemployed)

There are only 2.4 million unemployed in the uk!

bambipie · 31/03/2010 17:19

I'm just going to have to leap in with a very middle class 'why have a baby if you can't afford it?'

To the op - why not use some of your energy and mumsnet time doing an OU degree? And then you too can get a McJob.

gorionine · 31/03/2010 17:20

"Because the kid with the degree has money, you can't go to uni without having money@

Yes you can, DH did it (while living in student accomodation with me and DD1) and the money came from him working bloody hard in restaurants to pay for it!

I think by taking the stand you do, you are making an incorrect generalisation that everybody who had a degree is rich and that you cannot better yourself if you have less fortune to start with. Both assumptions are wrong and insulting!

brogan2 · 31/03/2010 17:21

Not making that one up now CD are you?

CountessDracula · 31/03/2010 17:21

now bambipie that is a VERY DM comment
norty

bambipie · 31/03/2010 17:23

I know, but I just couldn't resist.

Now reliving student days of cleaning out the public loos on the beach as a holiday job. Nasty.

biddyofsuburbia · 31/03/2010 17:24

This has to be a joke right? Is this OP someone from another forum who is on a 'holiday'? If you are for real then all I can say is 'get over yourself'! Hating someone else is a waste of energy - get on with your life, make the best of what you've got just like the rest of us do. I've been to Uni, my parents were divorced - so my mum was a single mum when they were together they started off in a council house. They both worked for what they ended up with - I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and have worked bloody hard for everything I've got. In spite of this I would now be considered 'middle-class' by you and am therefore the object of your hatred. I don't go around spouting hatred about 'the working -class' or people on benefits or anything else. I am completely insulted OP, hope you're happy! Just off to muck out the ponies now

TheCrackFox · 31/03/2010 17:24

I grew up in a council house and went to uni. I got a McJob to fund my studies. I economized by living in a hovel.

lucky1979 · 31/03/2010 17:24

So, are you friends with the person who posted yesterday about how a girl with qualifications and a rich father had "stolen" her job from someone more needy?

IMoveTheStars · 31/03/2010 17:25

zapostrophe - yes

CountessDracula · 31/03/2010 17:25

oh I was assuming the op was a troll
no-one could be that dim in rl surely