Hating the middle/upper classes

[Ryoko]

I was brought up on a council estate, my dad worked full time, we got some benefits.

Work is hard to find (1 in 3 people in London is unemployed) the unskilled can't even get a job flipping burgers because the Uni educated are clogging up the jobs market.

Is it wrong for me to hate the upper/middle classes?

I live in a private rented accommodation now with my other half, we both work full time
and we will need state help to pay for the baby to go to nursery or to support me to stay at home.

All I hear from the middle/upper class is insults aimed at those on benefits or in council housing or just plain working class, calling us all scroungers, work shy, underclass etc, they seem convinced that living on benefits is great the poor are poor because they are lazy and are sponging off of them and that the poor should not be allowed to have kids if they need help from the tax payer to bring them up.

while moaning about how there tax money is given to the underclass they don't bat an eyelid at running multiple cars, jetting off on holidays, think that owning a home is a right not a privilege and spend obscene amounts of money on fashion, gadgets and the like.

Am I wrong to hate them as much as they hate us?

Do the middle / upper class no longer see the working class as the salt of the earth people because political correctness has stopped them blaming societies ills on other groups so the poor working class is the last easy target for them?.

Hmmm why is someone with a degree less worthy of getting a job flipping burgers than someone working class? And why do they deserve the job less?

You could feasibly argue that someone who has worked hard for three years getting a qualification at that level is more deserving of a job than someone who hasn't bothered to improve themselves

You're still not making sense. How does it matter what their qualifications are? Why does a student paying his/her way through uni with a low paying job clog up the market any more than someone who isn't a student? Should mummy and daddy pay for them? What are you on about??

And actually, if we're talking about working classism having taken over from racism then you're wrong. The only acceptable groups to target these days are Catholics and the fat. And I know 'cos I'm both. My chip is bigger than yours

I think that the op feels that those types of jobs are traditionally the preserve of the working classes
I guess a lot of the working classes go to uni now.
There only ever seem to be forriners working in any burger joints I go in to
(NB not a big sample as I have been to McDonalds once in the last 20 years. Oh and Nandos a couple of times but they don't do burgers)(well maybe they do but I guess they would be chicken ones)

not less worthy but presumably the point is that by applying for and taking unskilled jobs, they are reducing the job possiblities for the truly unskilled

Oh well yer CAFFLICKS yes
fair game

I would suggest you channel your anger into doing some thorough research into which political party best champions your cause, and ensure that you vote for them in the next election.

Don't forget very thin people
they are fair game too for not eating enough and making themselves ill

Oh and the pope
for ignoring all those paedo priests

(I guess he falls under catholics though)

What do you and your "other half" do? Just out of interest

Because the kid with the degree has money, you can't go to uni without having money, my cousin has a masters degree, her mother owns a house, they have 2 horses.

The unskilled worker who applies for the same job who can flip burgers just as well, has no degree because they can not afford it and may live in a craphole.

But without middle class buy to let landlords there wouldn't be half the properties available for rental.

I am middle class and not ashamed of it.

My dad worked damned hard his whole life and banked every spare penny he had so he could retire early (his family were firmly working class).

I worked damned hard for my DCs, as does my DH, though they are not his.

I am proud of the house I live in, two cars I have on the drive and the foreign holiday we have.

I do not hate anybody or judge anybody on the basis of where they live or how much they earn. I couldn't give a shit.

I won't apologise for what I have though, where I have come from or what I still hope to achieve.

LOL LOL LOL @ the OP answering CD's post about statistics!

I didn't hate you before you posted that total load of bollocks. I do now. Not sure if it's because you are working class or just stupid.

Hmmmm my mum didn't work and my dad did a hard manual job making me very much working class. I then studied hard, went to uni, got a good job, married a man with a good job, own a 4 bed detached house in a pretty village, own 2 cars and plenty of gadgets.
I earned them and I deserve them.
There are plenty of courses you could take to make yourself more employable. Quit winging.

Yes, all uni graduates have horses.

Yes you can, of course you can. You just come out the other side with loads of debt but it doesn't stop you going if you are motivated to. Are you seriously implying that everyone who goes on to further education has a lifestyle that includes horses? Where's mine?

Do the horses live in the house or have they also got a paddock?

I really think you have a skewed view of the background of a lot of university students. They are by no means all from well-off backgrounds. Also those that aren't have mahoosive debts to pay off from their student loans so I guess flipping burgers is better than nothing

The majority of bright working class kids do still go to uni. It's a myth that the majority don't. Only a small percentage of able children miss out due to finances.

I think you should get a free horse with every university place
They keep them in the bathroom in Ireland you know. In tower blocks even

Everything Angel just said applies to me too.

Bet my upbringing was poorer than your ubringing!

I don't hate eveyone who is working class. I certainly do however dislike the ones who have a chip on their shoulder about the middle/upper class and think that it's fine to insult them and casually slag off their way of life but cry discrimination if anyone dares to say anything back.

maduggar "Why dont you marry a rich man or get yourself a uni education?"

Hey! Don't knock it until you have tried it.

Ryoko "you can't go to uni without having money..."

You can, I fondly remember days of pot noodles and plain pasta (though actually come to think of it, I think we mostly spent the money that should probably have been on food on booze), we did have a disgusting little flat though and worked a couple of jobs each while also doing the book learning's - is that OK?

I like this thread.

The university students go for the flipping burger jobs to afford to pay for uni. Stop being so entitled.