Hating the middle/upper classes

[Ryoko]

I was brought up on a council estate, my dad worked full time, we got some benefits.

Work is hard to find (1 in 3 people in London is unemployed) the unskilled can't even get a job flipping burgers because the Uni educated are clogging up the jobs market.

Is it wrong for me to hate the upper/middle classes?

I live in a private rented accommodation now with my other half, we both work full time
and we will need state help to pay for the baby to go to nursery or to support me to stay at home.

All I hear from the middle/upper class is insults aimed at those on benefits or in council housing or just plain working class, calling us all scroungers, work shy, underclass etc, they seem convinced that living on benefits is great the poor are poor because they are lazy and are sponging off of them and that the poor should not be allowed to have kids if they need help from the tax payer to bring them up.

while moaning about how there tax money is given to the underclass they don't bat an eyelid at running multiple cars, jetting off on holidays, think that owning a home is a right not a privilege and spend obscene amounts of money on fashion, gadgets and the like.

Am I wrong to hate them as much as they hate us?

Do the middle / upper class no longer see the working class as the salt of the earth people because political correctness has stopped them blaming societies ills on other groups so the poor working class is the last easy target for them?.

I'm possibly one of:
6121, 6122, 9233

So as I've got two possible in number 6, guess I'm middle class. Though as I could fit in 9233... domestic... maybe I'm working-middle class.

Ah... who knows!

Ryoko - it's fine if you hate me, seeing that I'm considering myself to be middle class. Though can't say I hate you, haven't met you yet so can't really form an opinion.

Brogan - I love it. Has been fab. Get all the best bits without the workload and stress.

Hula!

That's how I see it too. I start Sept, will let you know!

whomoved - Aha! I see

brogan - good luck!

I am a nanny. No education apart from college, but I now earn around £35000 a year. Where does that put me then? I have worked hard to get where I am, starting off low paid, but now have a nice house in a decent area?

Similar to me I guess Annlinn... category 6 - so around middle... 6121 (Nursery Nurse) 6122 (Childminder).
You earn more than me ... guess you work in a city.

But as a profession we are still classed as working class ( in my experience), Nannynick. I am just on the border of London, Kent border so yes.

I don't think it is reasonable to hate a whole group of people indiscrimately.

However, it is intrinsically unfair that some people get a leg onto the housing ladder through their parents and some don't. I don't think there is much that can be done about it, but I think op has a point.

I don't think she has a point about unemployed graduates taking low-skilled jobs from un-university-educated people; they would have been there anyway; you have to put that down to the British economy.

And what annoys me a bit is when people who have inherited money and live in a gorgeous house act as thought they have earned it through their own merit.

How many people actually inherit enough to buy a 'gorgeous house'?

To inherit anything substantial both your parents have to be dead. I'm 38 and my parents haven't inherited yet, never mind me. And when I do inherit, it'll be shared with my many siblings.

Is there really a substantial number of people inheriting lovely houses? Most people I hear of who inherit are getting an a bit themselves and have no desire to leave wherever they are.

Ryoko, I think you are wrong to lump middle class people in with upper class people.

ANYONE who has a mind to it can become "Middle class" if they wish to.
A few years ago, I knew a woman who was a single mum on benefits in a council flat. She took some training and is now in a profession and a home owner. So I suppose she is now deemed to be "middle class".

It is impossible to become "Upper class" if you are not born to it. It's pointless to try, really.

Actually, Ryoko having met a few upper class folks, I'd say they have more in common with the working classes, anyway, truth be told.

This whole thing is a wind up, right?

I don't know many people who have inherited 'georgous houses', only a couple and they would rather have their parents still with us.

I know plenty of people whose parents have given them help with the deposit on a house and I am one of them and I am very grateful.

I can understand the op i think.

To those of you sniggering at the OP's 1-3 Londoners are unemployed statistic, have a look at these

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/research-shows-a-third-of-londoners-are-jobless-1925193.html

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23817536-job-schemes-fail-the-third-of-londoners-out-of-work .do

DS1 is at uni. I'm a bit worried because halls are very small, he's 6'2" and frankly there's nowhere to put a horse. I can't keep it here, DH went mad when I brought a cat home... a horse would finish him off.
As for the skydiving, I'm not sure about that either. When would he get the time between studying and working at the job he stole ?
I'd better go and top up his Sainsburys meal ticket card with my vast wealth earned as a part time TA or he'll have to survive on cannabis butties again.
It's only a short walk in my Hunter wellies from my palatial semi and I'm all out of foie gras for DH's supper... ta ta for now.

She's not one of ours!

Why not question the fact that you need to PAY to go to uni in this country instead of hating people who do?

"running multiple cars, jetting off on holidays, think that owning a home is a right not a privilege and spend obscene amounts of money on fashion, gadgets and the like."

You just described me ! lol and guess what? I am working class. I just happened to work extremely hard, improved my qualifications and have constantly developed myself at work.

I don't hate or dislike any particular class of people, but do admire those who consantly look to improve themselves and their lives. I have also worked in a chippy, as a cleaner and as a bar maid to ensure that I could make ends meet so I could buy my first house.

"did they also mention that 87.5% of statistics are made up on the spur of the moment?"

No but then how do you know thats correct and the statistics for the statistics is not made up?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

(puts head in hands and weeps)

My situation is not that different from yours,(but with a twatish M/C BIL to boot) but you know what, fuck 'em, why should I care, I know my worth. If they hate me, they have to live with it, I don't.