stopping my kids going to a Catholic Church

[jennyslinger]

I know religion is contentious so I'd like to say up front that I am a confirmed atheist and my DH is a confirmed catholic. This is not about the rights or wrongs of believing in god.

DH wants DS and DD (when she's 4yo) to go to our local Cathocis church to attend sunday school and get involved with other church activities.

I have read so much over the last few years about the child abuse cover-up in the Catholic Church. For this reason I have told DH and his family that the kids will not be going.

DH says I am fussing over nothing.

I asked DH he knew a nursery had covered up child abuse would he be happy with the kids going. He says this is not the same.

Am I being unreasonable?

but you place pedophile priest's with children though daftepunk....?

"would this be such a big story if child abuse had been going on in 100's of mosques"

Er, yes I think it would.

Still waiting..........

You can't change religion - eh? Course you can.

And of course this would be a huge story if it were happening in mosques, what a ridiculous question. That statement shows just how unimportant you think the widespread rape and abuse of thousands of children is really.

Seeker, I explained that to you yesterday...

This is why I married a man...I can tell him he's talking bollox and he'll just accept it...he doesn't ask me to explain why over and over again...

Interesting point - i know lots of people grappling with whether to bring up their children as Catholic due to world wise abuse scandals.

My DH believes that the Catholic Church would be a poor role model for children for many reasons such as not allowing female priests and the abuse scandal is outrageous - also by supporting the Catholic church, especially it's stance on contraception then how is that helping with Aids?

It is a complex debate.

No you didn't. And you didn't tell me what I posted that was truly shocking either.

It won't take you long - just cut and paste the truly shocking and the bollox.

Wow you've hit a hornets nest!

I'm christian although not catholic, I would suggest your husband attends with them, maybe volunteer I'm sure they wouldn't turn down an extra pair of hands, you can be content they are safe and the children get a bit of quality time with Dad

glastocat;

There's alot of awful things happening in the world..esp to women and children, I hate the fact that some countries almost rely on the income it receives from child prostitution....that has to stop...lots of things have to stop....

The abuse of children within the catholic church has been dealt with......1000's of children are still being abused in other situations...focus your energy on them.

but that us just it - but if you have a choice then by volunteering in a sexist organisation you are then saying that you endorse that sexism and so on...

Err, how on earth can you be so certain that the abuse has stopped? As I have already said, new stories are coming to light all the time, and the fact that the catholic church are still wriggling out of paying full reparations do not fill me with confidence that they are concerned with the victims at all - it seems that protection of the perpetrators is much more important to the heirarchy.

And I'm not sure where you are going with the ,'oh well, other bad things happen in the world too'. Of course they do, but we are not talking about them here, are we?

Its this evasiveness and dishonesty that makes me, and many others, look on the institution of the catholic church with contempt.

So are you saying, daftpunk, that no child will ever be abused by a priest again, or, if they are, and the church hierarchy find out, then the issue will be dealt with properly and the police involved?

Oh and daftpunk, do you think Cardinal Brady should resign?

There are child protection procedures in place now...just like there are in schools....that's not to say a priest will never abuse a child again...you can't say that about a teacher either..

Cardinal Brady?

Oh, and my truly shocking post?

How about I just rip out my soul and give it to you...?

No. How about you justify accusations you make about people?

You'll be able to find Cardinal Brady on Google if you not sure who he is. You're such an expert on this subject, though, I'm sure you won't need to.

sorry Daftpunk I do not agree that the absue of children in the Catholic Church has been dealt with.

If so why is Germany now looking at a systematic review of abuse in the German Catholic Church.

The systematic abuse in the Catholic Church should surely mean that the focus should indeed remain on the Church and their connection with abuse for a very very long time.

"an excuse for a party"

"it means less than nothing"

well well - we can see your priorities nice and clearly OP. Plus your ease and willingness to lie about anything as and when it suits you.

Tell me - are ALL athiests like you? should I tar all non-believers with the same brush?

donnie, I'm not speaking for the OP, but a christening is certainly often 'an excuse for a party'. Most of the ones I have been to were anyway, as most of them ended up as a massive piss up in the pub after, and the parents only ever going to church to hatch match and despatch. That's my experience (of many, many, mostly Irish catholic) christenings. There is a strong cultural expectation here to christen, regardless of whether you really buy into it all.

seeker;

Sorry, had to do some RL...

...Listen, I think we've taken this as far as it can go...

One thing I'd like to say to you though...

There's a couple of people on MN who think I'm really bi-sexual...possibly because of my views on homosexuality..... I dunno..?

I'm kinda understanding why they think that now...because I think you're a latent catholic.....it's screaming out from all your posts...

Give in seeker...accept the wonderful glow of faith ...

I wouldn't send my kids to a Catholic Sunday school. I made my 1st communion and confirmation and went to catholic schools all my life.

I'd be worried about an organisation who covered up child abuse. Nope, too many doubts for me.

CRB's show up people who have been found out. What about the ones who haven't been and are attracted to an organisation who is know for child abuse for instance? Just a thought......

Seeker and Daftpunk let it go now can you?

Glastocast i'm am amazed by your in depth knowledge of catholic baptisms and knowledge of catholics in general as they all make up an organisation that you quite clearly stated you abhor, why would you go to these baptisms and mix with these people? the abuse is not a new thing, you must have been attending these situations and mixing with these abusers for a long time.

mrsbluesky, because the baptisms I go to are mostly those of family and friends. Remember, I live in Ireland, I'm surrounded by ( mainly fairweather) catholics. So far as I know, none of them are abusers, I never said they were. But some of them did know abuse that was going on, and did nothing. They are all quite aware of my feelings, I have never made them a secret ( if you have read the thread you will see that I even was dragged to a priest to discuss my decision not to baptise!) I don't see why its so surprising that I should know about this subject, I am married into a Catholic family after all. Thankfully, my husband feels the same as me, and has rejected the whole shebang.