...to want DS's nursery to not use words like "ta" and "doggie"?

[Naetha]

I understand the benefit of getting babies/young toddlers into the habit of saying "ta" instead of thankyou as it's easier to say, but when they're 2+ and saying thankyou perfectly well, isn't this a bit infantile?

And why doggie?? Surely dog is easier and straight to the point.

Am I just a snob?

really vingertits, so a childminder is just as socially respected as a doctor or lawyer are they? that will account for the way middle class families push for their kids to do the former just as much as the latter, and the way that the former are paid a fraction of what the latter earn!

YABU.

It really doesn't matter.

What are you scared of.

If something irrates you, stop and ask 'but doe sit really matter?' if it doesn't let it go you'll feel better for it,

Well, you claim to be 'well educated' in one of your earlier posts PCSMum.

However, you are really not showing much evidence of that on here with your spiteful and rude comments about childcare workers.

I think the women who work at my DS' nursery are doing a fantastic job (which is physically and emotionally demanding) and I feel angry on their behalf reading such ignorant comments.

Ah

Kaytuga ma meps scaltom desleet.

May you live long and prosper (just like in Star War hehe)

Mo Hanny Mo hannae Mo Hannyo Mo TA

For You for Me for Everyone LOVE

Sokkae Reekae Lee TowadStooal Modkake

We are all equal in this world.

Lim Tato Cal Panpa fel Seekytan Tutoan, Lee Hombet Lee Hombat La suuu

The path of wisdom is not travelled in school, but in LIFE.

Salapal Trantio (That's all)

Milkymama x

ta doesn't really matter.

childcarers being paid a really low wage does - for both them and the children they look after.

YAB a bit U. It doesn't really matter whether children learn to say dog or doggy, cat or pussy cat, bird or birdie, hello or hiya. The important thing is that they learn to say something- this toddler speak will disappear on it's own anyway- I spoke in toddler speak to my baby and she was an early talker, and she soon used the correct names. I am sure there is evidence that babies spoken to in "motherease" learn to speak sooner and develop language more easily than those that aren't and that these more sing-songy words have certain patterns that are easy for children to say.

RP is Received Pronunciation - people use phrases like "BBC English" to describe it. It's essentially an SE English accent, and so not "neutral" at all if you're not from that area!

YABU

Adults using baby talk to communicate (ie talking in a high pitch, simplifying words by repeating key syllables, using rhyme etc) is essential for normal language development.

The only ones I don't get are things like bow-ow for dog, gee-gee for horse, donnies for hands and piecie for sandwich.

i am well educated. i make no apology for that. i am much better educated than most childcarers and would be really upset if my children wanted to work in childcare in the UK when they grew up. I would feel that I had failed them. Unless of course they were going to do it in Finland or another country where they would be respected.

i am guilt free at using nursery,staff are bright and competent.it is well run

trick is find a good nursery that suits you and baby.book well in advance as good nursery have long waiting lists. i was viewing/researching nursery from 8wk and booked nursery place at 12wk

Wait until they're teenagers.

'Ta' will be the least of your worries, you get me, bruv?

"Ta" is a mystery to me - I don't know anyone who says this and would be very at anyone teaching this to children. My DD could say "thank you" discernibly, spontaneously and in context at 12 months, so I am very dubious about the necessity to teach "ta".

However, "doggie" is a proper baby word and I have no objections to it.

PCSMUM - stop NOW!

"I'd feel like I'd failed them" (if they went into childcare)

That, to me, is the saddest statement you've made on the whole thread

Also Janos, the whole point of a number of these posts has been that 'you're not necessarily an all round fantastic person just by virtue of having a degree' - I don't think my level of education guarantees I won't be rude or spiteful! My complaints are not so much about the individual workers - I am sure they all mean well and I have experience of one woman with a sub normal level of education being a wonderful childcarer - it is more about the way childcare is viewed as a profession. The way we as a society view childcare - it is not a dream job, it is not a job we would want for our children (or is it? maybe it is actually, reading some of the posts on here!) and I think that is a shame as it is such an important job.

Bonsoir, you don't "teach" ta

IME it's a word that is passed down through families, if it's a word that is used as day-to-day language

If you don't say it, it won't be taught

My brothers who are both well educated have moments of talking like gangsters. They both went to one of the best state schools in Hertfordshire and good unis.

nope, i am being honest. if you will be happy with your kids growing up and being childminders earning a low wage slaving after someone elses children all day, then go for your life. we are different. we have different views. mine are just as valid as yours, they are just different.

Yes, nice, PCS - my mother spent a long time doing a brilliant job, for which people in their 20s and 30s still remember and thank her. Did her mother fail her? You are being ludicrous, and unkind.

if only high pay = respected profession.

I get neither as a SW

Looking after small children is not rocket science. You do not need a degree to meet the needs of a toddler. They are not providing education, it is what it is- Child Care.

PSCMUM how can you say that you are better educated than most childcarers? You do not know most of them and therefor you do not know there level of education.

I want my kids (prob another inappropriate word) to grow up and pursue whatever they fancy doing

Their choices may make my teeth itch. But they will be their choices, I won't have 'failed' them

'tak yoo' (whoever you are) was an attempt to imitate what a child might say when they are too young to pronounce everything properly ffs but hope someone's handed you a bucket- my little darlings came out of the womb singing God Save the Queen in received pronunciation obviously. Ta for your input though.

And yes, quite SoupDragon yumimummi is a bloody stupid name it was an attempt at irony but it is shit. I will change my name to ragingsnob straight away! I love the way that on MN people don't bloody sit on the fence! Off to think of suitable names now.

I think I'd admire my children for going against people's prejudices and doing a job that they feel is important (as you have said) even though people think only "dim girls" do.

NEssarose, yes, you are completely right. i don't know most childcarers, i just know a few, and I know how little they are paid, and I know that after 3 years at university stacking up the debt, most people don't want a minimum wage job.