to think that the choking risk is just a myth?

[BattyKoda]

As in, "it's dangerous to put your baby/toddler to bed with a bottle/beaker as they might choke". Is it more dangerous than say a dummy? I have found one story on the web of a baby choking on a dummy, but can't find anything about the risk of choking on fluid.

(I have asked this on another thread but have had no response so I have put on my hard hat and am braving it here, please go easy on me )

Dead baby came up on page 6 - so what were you defending for the previous pages?

When DS was old enough to sleep in a bed we considered him old enough to turn on his touch lamp and reach for his sippy cup, have a drink, put it back and turn the lamp off.

Before that if he needed something, we got up.

I don't feel the need to defend anything. I'll do what suits me and my family.
I'm grateful for everyones opinion (except FioFio's) as all have helped me to have a greater understanding of the risk, which is less than I thought it was.

"The aspiration of foreign material, such as milk, food, gastric contents, or saliva, into the tracheobronchial tree is a common cause of acute and chronic lung disease in children. Predisposing anatomic and functional disorders include uncoordinated swallowing from neurological dysfunction or muscular weakness, vocal cord paralysis, laryngeal cleft, tracheoesophageal fistula, vascular ring, achalasia and gastroesophageal reflux (GER) (1). Aspiration can produce a variety of lung disorders including acute or recurrent pneumonia, bronchiectasis, and interstitial lung disease (1). As a result, significant loss of lung function and even respiratory failure may occur (2).

While the potential importance of aspiration in the pathogenesis of lung disorders is widely recognized, only recently have clinical and laboratory studies investigated the association between aspiration syndromes and lung injury. Fan and coworkers (7) detected aspiration in 14% of children presenting with chronic diffuse pulmonary infiltrates. In animal models, recurrent aspiration of milk produced alterations of neural control mechanisms of the airway smooth muscle, thus suggesting a potential mechanism involved in aspiration-induced airway dysfunction (8). These observations coupled with clinical experience demonstrate that aspiration represents an important pediatric problem that requires accurate diagnosis. Unfortunately, currently available diagnostic tests, such as barium swallow with videofluoroscopy and gastroesophageal scintigraphy (milk scan), are neither sensitive nor specific enough to establish a diagnosis of aspiration" From Respitatory and Critical Care Medicine Report.

ROFL BALD

Rude, but funny.

Two month old baby dies through milk aspiration

aspiration of vomit in adults and tots

"I'm most concerned about my DS1 having his sleep disturbed, so have tried to settle down DS2 as quickly as possible."

"Reward: More settled toddler, undisturbed older brother, undisturbed 10 hour day working DP, well rested mum"

You don't think he's going to create merry hell when he cries in the night and mummy doesn't come in with a bottle of milk because she expects him to have the beaker of water??

This make no sense whatsoever given the fact that you argued you were giving him milk to make him go to sleep quicker. Now not only are you proposing not going in to him, you think he'll be satisfied with water.

[badly stifled guffaws]

"To determine the frequency and degree of milk aspiration in infant death cases, immunohistochemical examinations were performed on lung sections from 41 sudden death cases and 64 in-hospital death cases using anti-human α-lactalbumin antibody. Milk aspiration to some degree was detected in more than half of the sudden death cases and in about one-third of the in-hospital death cases. A semi-quantitative examination of the amount of aspirated milk was subsequently performed in the positive cases. The amount of aspirated milk in the sudden death cases was significantly higher than that in the in-hospital death cases. The frequency distribution of the amount of aspirated milk was similar in shape in both groups. In most cases, a very small amount of aspirated milk was detected. The aspirated milk was assumed to be a result of occasional gastroesophageal reflux or cardiopulmonary resuscitation. However, in five cases, much larger amounts of aspirated milk were found. In these cases, milk aspiration may have been an important part of the cause of death. We concluded that slight milk aspiration is not rare in infant death cases, and that in a few cases, the aspiration is lethal. An immunohistochemical screening test is available to perform a postmortem diagnosis in these cases."

Forensic Science International.

I agree with BoysAreLikeDogs - you are an idiot.

Apparently the cat isn't priority any more and, in any case, was only woken up by the OP making a bottle of milk in the middle of the night and failing to place a saucer down for the cat along with a tray of Sheba.

Is she leaving the cat unattended whilst it's drinking? Because cats can die from aspiration too. I think you need to stay up with your cat OP.

For the cat....

www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/football-cat-kick.jpg

Thanks for that Rhubarb - I was hoping for some substantional proof like that at the beginning. So it's thought it could be a contributor to SIDS. In that case I'm glad I have highlighted the risks to those have have been un aware in order for them to make an informed decision.

I explained my situation (only way to settle DS2 is to get him a drink of milk) to a friend last night, who said 'just leave the beaker in with him like I do' my reaction 'choking, teeth etc' was met with, 'you can't choke, and surely milk is good for their teeth'. Hence me coming here for some more insight.

Which I've got, so thanks to those that have helped.

You seem to now think it's neccessary to start name calling and taking the piss. Get a life.

Please explain why you think he's going to go back to sleep with a self-administered beaker of water when currently you pander to him by giving him milk so he doesn't disturb his brother.

Only read the OP, but Yes babies/toddlers can asphyxiate due to the fluid in the bottles/beakers

I have no idea why you have such an intense interest in my parenting decisions soupdragon??

Because you brought them up on a discussion/debate forum as a second thread when you didn't get the answer you wanted on the first one?

When the other thread dried up... as explained 3 times before.

I asked a question Morloth. I don't need to be judged. Or is that what you lot do, is that why I've been told not to come asking for advice, because all you are capable of doing is judging?

This isn't an advice board.

I enjoy a good judge, not even sorry about it.

Because you used the argument about you bringing your DS2 a bottle of milk in order to settle him quickly and not wake DS2.
Because you poo-pooed the idea of taking him water yourself as a 'safer' alternative and to wean him off waking for milk because you have to give him milk to settle him quickly.

But somehow you think leaving him a bottle of water, which many others consider dangerous, will settle him without waking everyone. I am curious why you think this is going to work.

Are you blind to the flaw in your plan?

"not wake DS1."