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to think that the choking risk is just a myth?

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BattyKoda · 22/02/2010 21:39

As in, "it's dangerous to put your baby/toddler to bed with a bottle/beaker as they might choke". Is it more dangerous than say a dummy? I have found one story on the web of a baby choking on a dummy, but can't find anything about the risk of choking on fluid.

(I have asked this on another thread but have had no response so I have put on my hard hat and am braving it here, please go easy on me )

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 12:36

My post Tue 23-Feb-10 09:32:43

I tried to make myself clear then.

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catastrojb · 23/02/2010 12:38

and having asked for opinions, you have then decided to present your conclusion as fact designed to change the mind of someone that, having read those opinions, believed the opposite for very good and personal reasons. possibly gone beyond smugness to arrogance, IMO.

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 12:39

I can see that my OP isn't very clear so apologies for that - it was hastily written as a follow on from another thread. But I have also explained quite a few times that I am talking about infants that are able to feed/drink independantly

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 12:42

"acebaby - I don't think it is actually dangerous."

I gave my opinion. It was not presented as fact. That would be: acebaby - It is not actually dangerous.

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RedbinDippers · 23/02/2010 12:44

Bottle of milk every time, the bacteria is good in developing the childs immune system.

Lulumaam · 23/02/2010 12:45

being able to feed/drionk independently won't stop a toddler aspirating if they fall asleep with their dirnk/vomi and aspirate

grownups can die this way, so can a baby, it does not matter if they can feed independently

SoupDragon · 23/02/2010 12:48

If it's a beaker of water, than why on earth is it "a waste" to take it up with you in the night if he doesn't wake up??

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 12:51

Because if he wakes at the moment I fetch him milk. It was suggessted that I leave the milk in with him. After some reponses it is clear to me that milk would be a bad idea, so if I do leave a beaker in with him, it will be of water. Which, if he is just stirring, I'm not sure he'd notice the difference.

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SoupDragon · 23/02/2010 12:52

Well stop giving him milk! He doesn't need it and popular theory is that if you give them boring old water, they can't be arsed to wake for it.

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 12:55

At the moment Soupdragon, I'm most concerned about my DS1 having his sleep disturbed, so have tried to settle down DS2 as quickly as possible. Might not be the best thing to do, but thats the way it is at the moment.

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catastrojb · 23/02/2010 12:56

so take water in to him when he wakes, then it's not a waste and he still gets a drink. of course, you have to get out of bed and be disturbed for a few minutes...

if he is sleepy enough not to know the difference between milk and water, he's sleepy enough to (potentially) aspirate it.

your opinion was given in response to a poster in a way that read as if you were trying to change her mind about not leaving her child a drink at night, despite flying in the face of links and other opinions that she had already read, assimilated and make her decision based on. that is what I object to - as if your revised opinion based on what you read (being exactly the same as what she read) was somehow the one that she should be listening to. that is what I feel is arrogant. And if that is not what you meant, that is how it came across.

The demons of the written word, eh!

SoupDragon · 23/02/2010 12:59

Do whatever you damn well like then, Batty. don't bother asking for opinions or advice here.

SoupDragon · 23/02/2010 13:00

"I'm most concerned about my DS1 having his sleep disturbed, so have tried to settle down DS2 as quickly as possible."

And you don't think he's going to create merry hell when he cries in the night and mummy doesn't come in with a bottle of milk because she expects him to have the beaker of water??

FioFio · 23/02/2010 13:02

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 13:09

FioFio - what an outrageous thing to say!!!! Why are you all so pissed off about my decision. As I have said, there are others that have said it is not dangerous or a risk any more than having a drink while supervised. The links provided include a newborn baby, a baby being breastfed and a stoned teenager. So forgive me for thinking they are not relavant!!

I will however take on board the possible risks of aspiration, and how it can occur, because I can find information to back that up. Information that states causes to include "trauma (especially head injuries), poisoning (including drug/alcohol overdose), general anaesthetics, and diseases or metabolic conditions". None of which my 1yo has.

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 13:10

FioFio - outrageous was to kind, What a disgusting and completly un neccessary remark to make

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Rhubarb · 23/02/2010 13:12

A newborn having an unsupervised drink isn't dangerous? Which link says that?

Look, if you just came onto Mumnset to tell us all that you had made a decision and no-one could talk you out of it then fine. But you didn't, you posted on a thread that calls for opinions. You didn't make your OP clear and now when you get opinions you don't like you go off on one.

As I said before. Smug.

If you aren't willing to take other opinions on board, even if they go against yours, then don't post on Mumsnet.

I feel I've wasted a lot of my time in even reading this thread now. I may sue you for time-wasting in fact.

Morloth · 23/02/2010 13:13

Are you new?

CinnabarRed · 23/02/2010 13:13

We're not pissed off about your decision (although FWIW your logic of transferring to water is seriously flawed as outlined by SoupDragon). We're pissed off about your frankly shitty attitude.

FioFio · 23/02/2010 13:14

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 13:18

A link about a newborn baby being left with a bottle in it's mouth and died from aspiration . It's a completley different situation to a beaker of water/milk being left next to a 1 + yo.

I've not gone off one about opinions I don't like. I;ve gone off on one after being told I would prefer a dead baby

I have apologised about my unclear OP, as I said before it was a follow on and hastily written. I tried to clarify my situation.

I have taken all opinions on board, and have made my mind. Apologies that it isn't the same as the majority.

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 13:20

Maybe I was being too polite. Go fuck yourself FioFio. How dare you.

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BattyKoda · 23/02/2010 13:21

Am to get the troll accusation now then morloth?!

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rubyslippers · 23/02/2010 13:21

i posted on your thread last night about this

your child is at risk of choking whether on water or milk

you have decided to ignore this and as such you are putting your child in danger

i am hesitant about leaving my 3.5 year old with a cup of water - he can still drink too fast and cough and splutter never mind a 1 year old

i have no idea why you bothered posting this twice when you clearly have no intention of taking any advice on board

lukewarmcupoftea · 23/02/2010 13:22

Batty - for what its worth, we leave a valve type cup of water with our 2.5 year old DD1. We would have to do controlled crying with her if we took it away. Its a recent thing since she was ill and wanted water in her room (which seemed like a perfectly reasonable request to me!). She hasn't always had it, but she does tend to be a bit OCD about stuff in her cot, and we tried to take it away but the hysterics just weren't worth it.

I never even considered that there might be a choking risk - I can't see how its much more of a risk than letting her drink in a different room to me in the house really, as she would need to sit up and be fully awake to drink (don't think she does actually drink it though, but that's not the issue).

I'm not sure I would leave one with a 1 year old though, they just aren't as co-ordinated or sensible? But that's for the parent to decide.

Virtually everything we do carries some form of risk, and parenting is just about juggling the relative risks and rewards. Some will not want to take any risk, some won't mind. Since the risk seems to be miniscule, I think there are more serious issues for everyone to get het up about.

So I think yes, given the arguments presented above, YABU to think that the risk is a myth. However, YANBU to consider the risk small enough to take.

For those that wouldn't leave a non-spill cup of water with a toddler - it would be interesting to know at what age you would consider leaving water in their room to be 'safe', and why?

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