I want to ask this somewhre where I might get a range of responses so not asking in SN, ismore a would you agree with this lady thing than a AIBU. Sn kids in mainstream education.

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Someone today whom I respect immensely and regard as kind, told me that in her opinion children with disabilities like dyslexia etc (so ampresuming the whole gamut of SEN - SN) shoudln't be in MS schools because of the effect on the other kids.

She is someone who though not employed by school has access to DS1 (ASD) and ds2 (SEN not sure what) during school time in a volunteer role. I pretty much trust her.

DS3 attends an SNU placement, but I do wonder how many people really share that attitude. My experience and belief tells me that different kids benefit from different settings so parents should have final say (it took me 2 years to get ds3 his place, and I face a battle now to get ds1 into SN Comp placement).

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pmsl riven at a cold, did she say it was a shame as well.......

in fact, last year's ms infant school had 10 sn children in 60 places lol. the HT blamed it on me spreading the word that they had been brilliant with dd2. i think she used the term 'victim of our own success' - particularly as dd2 was leaving and they would lose her TA funding

Actually I have a disbled kid in my family if you mean all kinds of SN. My cousin has aspergers. I know at least 5 autistic kids, only one of whom isn't in mainstream ed.

I suppose I thought you meant a physical and 'obvious' disability, that other kids have to learn to accept as 'normal' ie without staring, making fun etc.

riven at least children with cp are always happy..........(2shoes rofl)

ROFL at she might have a cold.

cheers Riven

Autism is commonly accepted as 1 in a 100. Although latest figures are 1 in 85.

Ha ha - they don't mention that in baby mags either.

Apologies, haven't read all this thread, so I'm probably repeating.

My DB has various ASD, including mild dyspraxia and social communication difficulties. When he was five or six, my mum (a qualified LSA who worked with SEN children) pulled him out of school as the facilities weren't enough for him (He was branded 'disruptive' because this was a period in the mid-nineties when higher levels of statementing were nigh on non-existant). She home educated him for ten years, and recently he went to college to start working on qualifications. Despite the social disadvantages he had being home educated (the local EO group were all much younger and very clicky so he didn't see many other children, and none without similar issues), he is integrating well, although when he was younger my mum had to go through and painstakingly explain what individual idioms were so he wouldn't get confused. Her hard work has paid off, and you'd hardly know now how hard he used to find things (he still can't write very well, but oh well). Of course, he could have easily achieved this and more had the facilites been available in a mainstream school, as when we tried getting him into a specialist school he wasn't 'severe' enough to get a place.

Things have improved since then, but that sort of poor treatment still occurs. But it's not the children that cause the problem. It's the poor facilities and narrow-minded people who label children and then only see the label and any complications it might bring, not the child themselves.

I wish people would learn not to stare at my severely autistic son. Someone has a good old gawp every time we go out.

2shoes i thought that waskidswith Downs????

Riv how could they say she had nice hair?She's ginger fgs,isn't that what she is statemented for?

Victoria can I ask what you would do if you were the aprent of such a child who was told he couldnt have a palce at an SNU?

And from that,SN people and anyone feeling sympathetic /useful this way please.

My disabled uncle just got beaten, mugged and nearly knifed by a teenager. He's in his early 50's.

He has the mental capabilities of about 10-12yo. He is clearly disabled. The litle fucker knew what he was doing - stealing and scaring a 10yo.

Poor man can't get the bus to work now, too scared.

So I'll always favour some sort of inclusion, where the child with sn has their needs met. People like my uncle need a voice, a face and a presence in society.

i know loads of kids with cp who can be downright miserable lol. dd2 is one of them - in fact the only reason she got given a nursery place was so they could listen to her screaming and i could rock silently in a darkened room for an hour...

she's lovely now, lol.

oh tree, that's awful.

have you stopped to think that the teen who attacked him might have SN ?

victoriascrumptious, in theory you are right, but a lot of local people know of his dx and i've already had a few comments. one woman i know whose daughter is his age, so they were to have been in the same year at school, but now they won't be, is delighted that he won't be finished at his ASD unit until he's five and half, and so will be starting school with a different bunch of (younger) children. She tried to hide her delight in fairness to her, but I knew she was relieved. she has no reason to be relieved, but she had already asked how i thought it would impact upon the rest of the class having richie in the class. my jaw fell open. this from a woman who is a friend of sorts.

PPirrlelevant as someonewith the Sn to do that needs24/7: as we have just such a child I know this by heart.

If so I sincerely hope the magistrate and penal system help him access the support he needs. Mainly to help him develop insight and empathy.

Which several members of the non-sn community could do with too.

Bit too caught up in how to get my family member to work when he won't use public transport and he's 100 miles away tbh. His care home are hoping to find funding for taxis, as he hasn't got much after they rob him take money for group activities etc.

Princess.
If the knife weilding mugger did have SN what would that have to do with anything at all?

Except possibly to paint a vision of how excluding children with SN and seperating them from mainstream could lead to aggression and isolation. Yes yes - I am sure that is what you meant.
Education and inclusion for children with SN is very important.
A point well made

The legal position is that a SN child can go to a mainstream school as long as their needs can be met and there is no detriment to the education of other children.
Personally I think this is a reasonable stance.

why would you think the person who attacked him had SN? There has been case after case of people with learning disabilities being attacked by NT adults and teens recently. Just browse the BBC website. There is a huge amount of prejudice directed towards those with LD's. people with learning disabilities are some of the most vulnerable in our society - they deserve our protection.

I've taught hundreds of children and the only disruptive SN ones I've ever had were one boy on the AS and one severely ADHD who was deported removed to a specialist school after 6 weeks. All the other disruptive little sods (of which there were many) were NT.

Oh, and one cheeky little monkey with CP who could be extremely rude to his TAs and was apt to get up (he was mobile but it took him a long time to get around) and sing "We are family" with all the actions if he felt the pace wasn't fast enough. "But I've got special neeeeeds!" he used to whine if he didn't fancy working. "Not in French you ain't", I told him, "Now get on with it".