WasIBU to change my DS's nappy in seat on plane...

[larks35]

rather than the 2 inches allowed in aeroplane loos.
Okay first thread but, I recently went to Cyprus with DP, DS and DP's family (oh, it seems like light years ago). On the way out I checked out the loo on the plane and decided not to change DS's nappy there as there is no room. He's nearly 1yo and honestly there is no space for it. Anyway, no one said anything on journey, I thought nothing of it.

On the way back the plane was practically empty, loads of room, DS slept like the baby he is and then needed a nappy change, so I did it on the seat again. When I took nappy to loo to bin, I was given a right old lecture by head hostess - unhygienic, have to serve food, perfectly adequate facilities in loo etc. I said that they weren't adequate and if I couldn't safely do it loo, what was I supposed to do. No answer just severe looks.

After telling DP he did the next nappy change in loo. Turbulence meant that DS nearly fell off table and DP agreed that the facilities were far from adequate for a bigger baby.

Anyway, what I want to know is your thoughts - was I UR for changing DS in seats? Or was head hostess UR for making a fuss (no-one had on my outward journey)? Or should planes have proper baby changing facilities to make it all safe and hygienic?

larks35 - I think you can safely assume that most of the people on this site have been in/ seen or know that loos on planes are small.

YANBU and I'd have done the same.

YANBU.

I was once sat next to someone (a stranger) on a flight from France and her baby needed her nappy changing. I stood up in the aisle so she could use my seat to change nappy on. Was quite happy to do it so she didn't have to go to small, smelly toilet. Never thought it was yuk at allas a changing mat was used under the baby's bum.

A cabin crew person did moan at me about it. I think 'cos I was blocking the aisle more than the baby situation. I told him they ought to have better changing facilities on the plane. He apologised and shut up.

Oh I see what you mean - I certainly didn't mean it in a patronising way. I suppose that although I'd been in plane loos before I'd never thought about how to change a baby in one.

TBH it was one of the only things I didn't get myself in a panic about before the flight. Will he sleep? Will he scream the plane down? How much food/milk should I take? I worried about all that, but never thought about how to change him.

bloody hell t'was only Cyprus larks

Maybe Apples washed her hands in the fountain after.

I think you're being harsh saying she's vile. Never done it myself but am quite impressed.

YANBU.

I have done this on several occasions.
On plane seats, on the floor, infront of other people's legs as they sat at the bulk head - in fact they invited me to use their space as they saw I was struggling. I use a changing mat, so I really do not get the hygiene issue.

Plane toilets are tiny, babies get bigger, what on earth are you ment to do when flying with 2 children in nappies on your own??

I think this is just a leetle bit different from whipping a potty under a restaurant table, IMVHO ...

Is it really that hard to change a baby's nappy? You'd think it was like a trek up bloody Everest or something, the way some people talk.

It was a fairly short plane trip. With one child. Get over yourself.

I had two in nappies for a long time, plus an older child, and I can't say I ever found nappy changing a 'struggle' or something that required months of advance planning. And facilities for feeding/changing/ indeed everything to do with having young children are generally far better these days than when mine were small.

It's no biggie!

Honestly the things people boast about on here, and then others egging them on.

Like a bunch of grubby schoolkids sometimes.

And I've already retracted saying she's vile - I said what she did was vile.

i just don't understand why people don't ask the crew before they do it on a seat tho?

Pheonix - sometimes yes, sometimes no to the ds standing question. Fortunately usually yes these days,but he is doubly incontinent. Up till 3 years ago he couldn't stand so i had to carry him on planes,but still got him to loo. I would add that i am not talking about small charter planes tho, i am talking longhaul larger aircraft.

Of course yabu that is fucking disgusting and completely inconsiderate of all the other passengers around you.
Really seems like an attitude of "fuck you I'm going to do what I want/I'm more important than anyone else/The world revolves around me."

Apples Hilarious - you do you you are going to the big burny fire, don't you?

Speaking of ewww, my DH, DS and I had lunch in a pizza restaurant last week where another couple changed the nappy of their little one AT THE TABLE! Actually at the table! No effort to be discreet or hide what they were doing at all.

As much as I sympathise at how difficult it can be to change a LO when out (my DS has an absolute hatred of changing tables), surely some consideration of your fellow diners is in order?

amialoneinthisone, re apples and hand washing, she has already said she was next to a great big FOUNTAIN . . .

No - it's vile to change a nappy especially a pooey one on the seat. It is so disrespectful to the other passengers. The loos aren't that small fgs.

LOLOL at Apples 'I changed a tampon in St Peter's Square' story and LOLOL at GothDetective 'perhaps she washed her hands in the fountain afterwards'.

YABU a wet nappy change wouldn't bother me but a pooey one would. Yuck. Lots of people fly and manage not to do this.

Trying to get one full size person and a small person in an airplane loo is not easy - but it needs to be done.

I found one of these really handy

Then put loo lid down use one of these usefull for touching loo lid

Then get in loo yourself, wonder how anyone has sex in one. and shut door.

Then either put small child on loo, or change nappy.

train loos are even worse

Ivykaty - it can be done

Oh my god why did you think that was a good idea?

I have managed to change DDs nappies with a toddler in tow on many occasions on planes and trains.

I presume he is steady on his feet? If so change him as he is standing up and holding onto the toilet/ sink/ handrail Then wash his hands after.

But of course had the other passengers been carrying Pomanders there would have been no problem...

TDWP

I am a bit and at the some of the posts here about changing disabled children (not all of them).

It's reasonably clear that most civilised human beings are more than happy to try and show some empathy for the difficulties involved, and generally don't make the same judgements as they might when it comes to parents with neurotypical able-bodied offspring. Taking the hump on threads in AIBU because your situation is out of the ordinary can really come across as moany and aggressive, and whereas it is good that people have their awareness raised, it would be nice to assume that the average mumsnetter is NOT the enemy here.

Glad I've got that off my chest, although I daresay I'll get an earful now.

Oh, and I've got a nine year old with severe disabilities, doubly incontinent and in nappies, so it's not coming from a position of ignorance.