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to think that narcissism is the current MN buzzword.

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OrmIrian · 26/11/2009 16:57

Never seen it on MN until a few months ago. And now it's everywhere!

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Unlikelyamazonian · 29/11/2009 15:13

walks in, sees a bunch of wankers. walks out.

roseability · 29/11/2009 23:02

How awful. To undermine people's experience of abuse by criticising the label they give it

My adoptive father abused and bullied me emotionally for years until I just about lost my sense of self. No he didn't just forget my birthday one year, he repeatedly called me fat and told me I was a fake. That the only reason people liked me was because they didn't know the 'real me'. He raged at me whenever I disagreed with him and controlled me excessively (eating, bodily functions etc). He would lie and tell people at his work that I studied medicine to fulfill his narcissistic need for status. He has delusions of grandeur (could have been an Olympic champion, was friends with important American politicians, could have been a millionaire). His lack of empathy is startling. He could reduce me to tears of shame and worthlessness and get a kick out of it. He would ignore me for days if I didn't fulfill his narcissistic needs. He once made me go running with him and wouldn't let me go home to use the toilet. He raged and raged at me, that I was making excuses. I still remember the awful stomach cramps I endured that day, trying to hold it in. Then the shame of having to go to the toilet in public. He threatened me with his fists, his words and his creepy repressed sexuality (called me a slut).

Reading that Toxic parent book by Susan Forward changed my life. I sought counseling and have pretty much got him out of my life after he turned his need for narcissistic supply onto my DS. I wrote him a letter and he responded by stating he was 'withdrawing from my life'.

The reason he was allowed to get away with this is because of these sorts of views expressed here. He was just doing his best. I should understand that he had a difficult childhood. I should forgive him.

Thus it went unchecked for years and I ended up with eating disorders, self-harmed and suffered anxiety and depression.

If you feel uncomfortable with your parenting or feel you have not always been the best mother, do not transfer this guilt onto others who claim their parents have been abusive. Toxic is just another word for abusive and the intellectualizing of it is arrogant and disrespectful of those in genuine distress

This was actually a reply to a similarly unkind thread about the term toxic. My adoptive father has NPD I am sure of it so I felt the need to post this

Unlikelyamazonian · 29/11/2009 23:24

rose, I am standing strong and firm by your side.

OrmIrian · 30/11/2009 08:01

Fuck me! How many times do I need to say sorry?

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OrmIrian · 30/11/2009 08:04

BTW what on earth does this mean?

"If you feel uncomfortable with your parenting or feel you have not always been the best mother, do not transfer this guilt onto others who claim their parents have been abusive"

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GibbonInARibbon · 30/11/2009 08:11

Orm, hide this thread, I'm going to

It was all sorted in a very rare MN love in and if you had read the whole thread rose you would have seen that.

OrmIrian · 30/11/2009 08:13

Yep. You are right. Have to let it lie.....

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Oblomov · 30/11/2009 08:30

I agree with Orm. Particularly her post of 18.53.
I have empathy for someone starting a thread who has a problem. I have alot of empathy. I have started many threads over the years with my trivial shit. People who have come on here and said OP you are belittling those with problems, have misunderstood the thread here. But alot of the time, over-labelling occurs.

I like Nina, feel very strongly that PND is suggested on MN too much. Struggling is one thing. PND is a toally different thing.

roseability · 30/11/2009 15:01

sorry OrmIrian - that post was posted on another thread when someone was criticising the use of the word toxic. I should have adapted it but I felt my point was relevant to this thread as well

I really believe my adoptive father has NPD and therefore you caught me at a sensitive time. I maybe over reacted

mathanxiety · 30/11/2009 15:29

PND is Post Natal Depression. NPD is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Typos or are we all talking about the same thing here?

If there's one thing my brush with a narcissist has taught me it's to never believe anyone who tries to tell me I am over=reacting, btw.

Oblomov · 30/11/2009 15:48

Not a typo on my part. Was refering to both.

kinnies · 30/11/2009 16:18

Goodness just when evryones starting to get along........

No PND is not 'sugested to much'.
It is helpful to people who may be suffering from it to consider that they are not mad, just a bit unwell with a treatable condition.
No one has ever died by being told that they may have PND, but plenty have by not getting help soon enough. I am sory to say that one such ladie I knew died as a result of untreated PND this year and the effects of her death are too horrid to talk about . If
going on and on about it could help one family avoid complete devastation then I for one will go on and on and on.

mathanxiety · 30/11/2009 16:24

Very sad about your friend and presumably her family, kinnies. You are right to get the word out.

kinnies · 30/11/2009 16:29

Ta maths. I'm on a mission me

Jamieandhismagictorch · 30/11/2009 19:46

No one has ever died by being told that they may have PND, but plenty have by not getting help soon enough.

Too true kinnies ....

Shall we hug again or has the moment passed ?

Oblomov · 01/12/2009 08:32

kninnies, I disagree with you. I think it is banded around too much.
Lots of people suggest it when it is inappropriate. There is a big difference between struggling and PND.
At the same time maybe to the very people who really do need it, it is not suggested.
We need to be very careful and give a bit more thought to our inexperienced daignosing of a person, based on a a post on a n internet site.
I know the site says 'postes don't necessarily have medical experience' or something of that ilk, but people are a bit to quick to jump in with a diagnosis.

Thus, I am basically agreeing with Orm. We need to be a bit more careful, re making flippiant commenat - and by that I mean all of us.

mathanxiety · 01/12/2009 15:29

There is such a thing as inexperienced and unprofessional misdiagnosing too -- dismissing something as trivial when it is in fact quite serious. You are more likely to go and have a check up if someone suggests you might have PND than if someone casually says 'oh, it's just the blues'.

In the case of PND, stigma contributes to an unwillingness to seek help or to consider the possibility that this might be your real problem, not 'just' the blues. So getting the word out that PND happens, that it's not a one in a million chance, that it can be treated effectively, and that it doesn't reflect on a woman's ability to be a great mother is important. Better to consider the possibility and seek help than suffer needlessly through the misery.

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