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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or does this man have an unhealthy interest in my 3 yr old?

114 replies

totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:20

I should probably say i've no desire to stir up a witch-hunt or make an already unhappy man's life any harder than it is, but i feel i have to share this here as i need some objective opinions.

As a few MNers will know, dh, dd (3.8) and i have been living in a small coastal village on the edge of the known universe for the past year. There are a few 'characters' shall we say, one of whom is a widower in his 60s whom various villagers have described to me as 'a bit odd, since his wife died 8 yrs ago and he's had to bring up 2 boys by himself'.

His kids are now in their mid-teens and known locally as giving him a pretty tough time. Obviously all this must have been incredibly hard for him to deal with, and it's no wonder they have had their problems growing up, considering what they've been through.

What worries me is that this man seems increasingly obsessed with dd. At first it was something you could laugh off; if he stopped dead in his tracks passing our house and said to another passer-by 'Look at that hair!' 'Look at that hair!'(she's a redhead) whilst staring at her , i'd just end up thinking 'that's just old Dave' (as i'll call him for argument's sake) but soon it became him stopping us, quite agressively (his social skills are pretty nonexistent) and demanding to know her name, where she went to nursery, etc etc. When i challenged him (quite tactfully) as to why he wanted to know all these things, he said 'Oh, i like to know about all the children in the village'. Which made me vaguely uneasy.

Now every time we pass him in the street he stares and stares at her like she's some small kind of prey. He only lives round the corner but he seems to walk up and down our road even more than you'd expect. Quite often, as he did this morning, he'll announce 'here she is!' as he sees her, with really victory in his voice, not in the way a kindly relative might to a small child he knows well. as in he's been walking up and down, waiting to see her (or so it seems to me, admittedly my late pg hormones could be blowing this out of all proportion, as it does seem to have escalated since he announced he had found out i was pregnant, but that's another story).

A couple of weeks ago, he came round to the back of our house (we're end of terrace) saying he'd been looking for one of our neighbours. dh said the bloke in question wasn't in, and tried to engage him in polite conversation about his other interest, bird watching. He didn't really respond to these overtures but replied very abruptly, staring up at the house 'Where is she?'. Dh was a bit taken aback and mumbled something like, 'er she's just playing...' then tried to change the subject. Dave returned to the subject of dd again 'it's amazing when you see little children and they're just so full of life' and in the next breath 'I think about death a lot, since my wife died. When you see old people, and they haven't got much hair, sometimes you can see a trace of the child they used to be...' Dh faltered and tried again to change the subject. Dave replied, again staring up at our house 'Hmm, how many bedrooms has this house got?' At this point i was listening to the exchange and it occured to me, maybe he was trying to work out which bedroom was dd's so i interjected with 'what an odd question!' before dh could tell him it only had 2. What gets me is there's no facade of friendliness towards dh (or me particularly, he actually seems to look at me like i'm a nuisance and never addresses me) he's very direct about the fact he's only interested in dd.

After he'd gone, i mentioned my uneasiness to dh and he agreed it had been a particularly odd conversation 'even for him'. We decided to keep a civilised distance from him from then on, however it doesn't seem to have deterred the bloke from just 'being there' almost every time we venture out. If we drive past him he just stares and stares into back of the car. I can't quite describe his look, but it chills me to the bone.

I'm nearly 7 months pregnant, dependant on waddling up and down on public transport with her during the week, and feeling pretty vulnerable, i suppose. I've lost count of the number of seemingly 'close to the bone' comments he's made about her over the months and it's freaking me out. I'm sure you'll all knock some sense into me anyway. I should add that like most mums i'm well used to dd getting all the attention from passers by and being made a fuss of generally (it's largely a retirement village, so you can imagine) but this feels very different somehow.

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totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:23

god, that's a long one! sorry.

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liath · 11/11/2009 21:28

Gosh. That would really freak me out too. Do you think your dd maybe reminds him in some way of his dead wife - maybe he believes in reincarnation or something like that?

HerBeatitude · 11/11/2009 21:28

I think you should go with your gut instincts in situations like this.

This is the sort of shite I could live without tbh. He's probably harmless but I can imagine that you feel slightly under siege and all the time feel slightly guilty and silly for feeling like this. It's not to be borne. Can you move?

BitOfFun · 11/11/2009 21:29

Could be anything really- early nset dementia, just poor social skills. Just try not to get tense about it- your dd can't come to any harm while responsible adults are looking after her. Why not ring the local community police for some advice? Thay might be able to tell you if there is anything else to worry about, but I doubt it.

luciemule · 11/11/2009 21:29

well I feel freaked out having read your thread. Do you reckon they had a little girl who died years ago or something? He sounds a bit weird. Have you told/asked anyone else in the village if he does the same thing with their children?
The people who told you he was a bit odd since his wife died; could you ask them more about him and tell them what he's like and gauge their reaction?
If it carries on, I guess you would have to mention it to the police; espeically if it's still specifically towards your dd.

SquirrelTrap · 11/11/2009 21:30

I would trust my instincts and keep your dd well away and also give him only the minimum contact and information

LaDiDaDi · 11/11/2009 21:30

It sounds like he's known in the village as someone who's oddness is longstanding so really hard for you to know if this is beyond normal for him, though I'm not sure if that makes a difference?

Stigaloid · 11/11/2009 21:30

Hmmm - if it bothers you a lot then i'd go and speak to someone at the police station - not report it in anyway of being a crime but asking whether this situation is something that merits concern or not. they may say no, which can ease your mind, or they may say that it is unusual and give you opportunity to learn some tactics to deal with it. Either way, it is bothering you greatly and it is probably best if you arm yourself with the right kind of knowledge on how to deal with the situation.

somethinganything · 11/11/2009 21:30

Hmm, I don't think YABU at all, but equally think that in all probability he's just a lonely old man with a few quirks and serious lack of social skills. Be vigilant by all means but I wouldn't let it freak you out too much, I think sometimes people who don't really know how to interact with adults try to do it through children. I suppose it does sound a bit freaky that he's just hanging about near where you live but it might just be that he's bored hasn't got much to do and wanders about a lot - it's possible that you are a bit more sensitive to his presence because of how oddly he's behaved in conversation in the past. Hope he stops freaking you out forthwith if he's doing it unintentionally - and if anything else leads you to think there's more to it then perhaps have an 'informal chat' with the local police

luciemule · 11/11/2009 21:31

Liath - I thought exactly the same but thought everyone would pee themselves laughing if I wrote about reincarnation! That was the first thing I had thought of though.
Total - have you asked locals what his wife was like to look at?

beeny · 11/11/2009 21:32

I would be very careful i dont mean to scare but have been a criminal barrister for over 14 years.I would keep a distance.Take care.

totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:32

liath - it has crossed my mind, although i daren't admit it obviously.

HerBeatitude - we are thinking of moving (again) to be nearer dh's work (has a huge round trip on dodgy country roads each day)

BOF-good idea about the community police, i did toy with the idea before, but couldn't decide whether to or not...

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KarmaAngel · 11/11/2009 21:32

That would most definately freak me out yes. Sounds a bit like stalking to me. YANBU I have no advice on how to handle it though, sorry.

Louby3000 · 11/11/2009 21:33

Hiya,

It seems like he is a very lonely old bloke and he likes your daughter . It really doesnt sound like he is a perv or anything dodge, however he is making you and your DH uncomfotable so you should try and do something about it. AS it sounds like he is so blunt and sort of aggressive in his questioning be the same with him. Be jovial but direct. Next time he days "where is she?" retort brightly "thats for me to know! See you later!"
Or you could say, " You know the way you look at my little girl makes me think maybe you would have liked a little girl?" and draw him out and then you would find out his motives??

MyCatIsABiggerBastardThanYours · 11/11/2009 21:33

I would feel v uneasy at what you have described too. If others in the village have said he is a bit odd, have they described what they mean - is this usual behaviour for him?

Not sure what I would do TBH. Certainly keep any eye on it.

totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:37

god the fact you're not all flaming me for this is freaking me out more. thanks for all the supportive comments..

luciemule- i haven't yet, but if i can gather up the courage i might.

beeny - i know you didn't mean to freak me out, but god.

stigaloid, somethinganything - i think informal is the way to go, too. cos you would think in this day and age warning bells would be clanging loud and clear...

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smartmars · 11/11/2009 21:38

You sound reasonable and not at all hormonal. I think you should always go with your instincts; thats what they're for and we spend a lot of energy trying to keep them down! keep a diary for now, just in case you become more worried and want to report him or seek advice. He may be just a sad, lonely man but you may as well be on the safe side.

Woollymummy · 11/11/2009 21:39

In my opinion, you have the right to ask him to stay away from your family and specifically your daughter. If he then continues to keep close contact, you have more weight behind any comments you make to the police. If he is reasonable and aware of your feelings, he shoudl respect your request. If he is unreasonable and deliberately harrassing you, then you should be more clear about the situation, however uncomfortable that is. I hope it is nothing sinister of course.

wannaBe · 11/11/2009 21:41

does he actually talk to your dd though? you say that he says things like "here she is!" for example but haven't given any indication as to whether he engages her in conversation at all?

Perhaps he's severely depressed after the death of his wife and this has affected him like this? Or perhaps as someone said your dd reminds him of his late wife or perhaps they had a dd who died?

But if you're not comfortable with it then I wouldn't feel obliged to be friendly towards this bloke - perhaps even ignore his advances and hope he gets the message?

wannaBe · 11/11/2009 21:45

"'I think about death a lot, since my wife died. When you see old people, and they haven't got much hair, sometimes you can see a trace
of the child they used to be..." tbh I think this statement says a lot - and that your dd reminds him of his late wife.

pigletmania · 11/11/2009 21:46

I personally dont think that he is a paedophile, he does sound like he has a serious mental health problem and needs professinal help now, probably caused by the death of his wife. Yes i would be totally cautious and stay away from him, mabey inform the Police if he is harrassing you and. Stay away from him, and dont engage in conversation with him.

AllarmBells · 11/11/2009 21:48

It sounds fairly like typical old man-bad social skills apart from the bedroom bit, which I think is a bit weird. I would follow your instincts. Smartmars's advice about a diary is a good idea, you could then look through after a week or so and see if anything has got worse.
Also Louby has a good point - one of the benefits of him being so blunt is that you don't need to be super-tactful when you ask him what he's thinking.
I would not like this at all if it were me. I hope you sort it out soon.

Jujubean77 · 11/11/2009 21:52

what piglet said

GinandChocolate · 11/11/2009 21:53

Sounds wrong to me. Its your job to protect your daughter not worry about the feelings for some , at best, strange bloke. I would talk to police (although they will do nothing), tell him to stay away (who cares if he is offended) and if he doesn't keep a diary of his approaches.

I'm not a paranoid person but this is beyond normal interest and if it doesn't feel right to you then it probably isn't.

pigletmania · 11/11/2009 21:54

IMO paedophiles are quite sneaky and wont be as upfront, no this guy sounds like he has some sort of personality disorder maby caused by the death of his wife and mabey he did loose a daughter for all its worth.