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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or does this man have an unhealthy interest in my 3 yr old?

114 replies

totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:20

I should probably say i've no desire to stir up a witch-hunt or make an already unhappy man's life any harder than it is, but i feel i have to share this here as i need some objective opinions.

As a few MNers will know, dh, dd (3.8) and i have been living in a small coastal village on the edge of the known universe for the past year. There are a few 'characters' shall we say, one of whom is a widower in his 60s whom various villagers have described to me as 'a bit odd, since his wife died 8 yrs ago and he's had to bring up 2 boys by himself'.

His kids are now in their mid-teens and known locally as giving him a pretty tough time. Obviously all this must have been incredibly hard for him to deal with, and it's no wonder they have had their problems growing up, considering what they've been through.

What worries me is that this man seems increasingly obsessed with dd. At first it was something you could laugh off; if he stopped dead in his tracks passing our house and said to another passer-by 'Look at that hair!' 'Look at that hair!'(she's a redhead) whilst staring at her , i'd just end up thinking 'that's just old Dave' (as i'll call him for argument's sake) but soon it became him stopping us, quite agressively (his social skills are pretty nonexistent) and demanding to know her name, where she went to nursery, etc etc. When i challenged him (quite tactfully) as to why he wanted to know all these things, he said 'Oh, i like to know about all the children in the village'. Which made me vaguely uneasy.

Now every time we pass him in the street he stares and stares at her like she's some small kind of prey. He only lives round the corner but he seems to walk up and down our road even more than you'd expect. Quite often, as he did this morning, he'll announce 'here she is!' as he sees her, with really victory in his voice, not in the way a kindly relative might to a small child he knows well. as in he's been walking up and down, waiting to see her (or so it seems to me, admittedly my late pg hormones could be blowing this out of all proportion, as it does seem to have escalated since he announced he had found out i was pregnant, but that's another story).

A couple of weeks ago, he came round to the back of our house (we're end of terrace) saying he'd been looking for one of our neighbours. dh said the bloke in question wasn't in, and tried to engage him in polite conversation about his other interest, bird watching. He didn't really respond to these overtures but replied very abruptly, staring up at the house 'Where is she?'. Dh was a bit taken aback and mumbled something like, 'er she's just playing...' then tried to change the subject. Dave returned to the subject of dd again 'it's amazing when you see little children and they're just so full of life' and in the next breath 'I think about death a lot, since my wife died. When you see old people, and they haven't got much hair, sometimes you can see a trace of the child they used to be...' Dh faltered and tried again to change the subject. Dave replied, again staring up at our house 'Hmm, how many bedrooms has this house got?' At this point i was listening to the exchange and it occured to me, maybe he was trying to work out which bedroom was dd's so i interjected with 'what an odd question!' before dh could tell him it only had 2. What gets me is there's no facade of friendliness towards dh (or me particularly, he actually seems to look at me like i'm a nuisance and never addresses me) he's very direct about the fact he's only interested in dd.

After he'd gone, i mentioned my uneasiness to dh and he agreed it had been a particularly odd conversation 'even for him'. We decided to keep a civilised distance from him from then on, however it doesn't seem to have deterred the bloke from just 'being there' almost every time we venture out. If we drive past him he just stares and stares into back of the car. I can't quite describe his look, but it chills me to the bone.

I'm nearly 7 months pregnant, dependant on waddling up and down on public transport with her during the week, and feeling pretty vulnerable, i suppose. I've lost count of the number of seemingly 'close to the bone' comments he's made about her over the months and it's freaking me out. I'm sure you'll all knock some sense into me anyway. I should add that like most mums i'm well used to dd getting all the attention from passers by and being made a fuss of generally (it's largely a retirement village, so you can imagine) but this feels very different somehow.

OP posts:
claw3 · 11/11/2009 23:55

Sounds like a lonely old man to me, but still if he makes you feel uneasy tell him to piss off

piratecat · 12/11/2009 00:08

it does sound stalkerish. i knownothing about this kind of behaviour, but it seems like he has an iljudged fixation, for whatever reason. Whether it's a mental illness, due to his wife, his sons, his life. Maybe he see's a newness in a young person, and it's made him feel alive? You say there's alot of older people in your village, maybe someone could tell you a bit about him?

thederkinsdame · 12/11/2009 00:10

Hmm, this is tricky. IMO it wouldn't have made me feel odd until you mentioned the bit about the bedrooms. Could be harmless, but who knows? I do tend to agree that it sounds like he may have few social skills, or is just used to small-town life where everyone knows everyone else's business.

I would, however, be keen to do drop it into conversation with other villagers to see if you can find out more about his wife etc. It does sound to me like a lonely man who's missing his wife.

The bottom line is if he is making you uncomfortable, it really doesn't matter what we think. You need to trust your instincts and do what you think is right. I don't think you should ring the poli ecor anything, but maybe your DH could have a word? If not, and it escalates, then I would think about taking it further.

JTGPsmummy · 12/11/2009 09:28

I don't agree with some of the posts here. I think you are right to be concerned. It would freak me out a lot, unfortunately I have met a few 'strange men' in my time and I am quite wary in general. You can never be too careful and as for some saying he doesn't sound like a paedo, you never know tbh. If it makes you uncomfortable, asking police advice is a good idea, and asking others in the village what they think about the behaviour. I would try ignoring him completely as I got freaked out reading it.

My nan told me never to ignore my instincts and there are some characters that immediately make me very uncomfortable and I have had this from a young age. I remember my nans friends husband always coming in and hugging me and looking for me when I was little and I used to go and hide if I knew he was coming (only to pick his wife up, never staying as my nan did't like him either). He really really gave me the creeps and I was only about 7/8.

claw3 · 12/11/2009 09:33

I dont see the point of asking around the village about him, even if everyone tells you he is a harmless old git, you are hardly going to feel any better about it!

He makes you feel uncomfortable, tell him or get your DH to.

madamearcati · 12/11/2009 09:47

Actually i have found it very common for old men to make a fuss about little girls particularly when you like in a little village.I can remember a bloke similar to that when I was a little girl.He used to give me 10p whenever he saw me and call me queen of his heart !!
have you lived in a small, remote village for very long ? It is totally different from living in a bigger place.People seem to have to know everything about each other.
If anything he sounds more like he is suffering from mental illness and i think your DD reminds him of someone who has died perhaps a sibling or daughter.

natsmum100 · 12/11/2009 09:55

My mum had an incident with unwelcome attention of local man and community policeman told her she was absolutely right to inform them. I wouldn't hesitate.

Morloth · 12/11/2009 10:20

I want to say YABU and overreacting, but we have instincts for a reason.

I just don't know, it does sound quite weird but it could also just as easily be totally benign.

It is hard when you are pregnant as well, you just feel so much more vulnerable.

Haven't really helped! Sorry.

LadyOfTheFlowers · 12/11/2009 10:41

I agree with Piglets' post.

If it's getting too much, just try to keep away from him and not engage in conversation with him. You are pregnant and if the bloke is making you feel uneasy I don't think it's unreasonable to do this.

I wouldn't be happy if he was coming round the rear of my house - it's not normal behaviour is it?
Im not saying he is a perv, probably just beraeved, but wether he is a perv or a bit mad - you don't want him coming into contact with your child - well I wouldn't anyway.

There is an old guy with a stick who is always lingering around our local shops who wants to 'buy' DS2 from me.
One day he actually caught hold of arm to stop me walking past him (after a friendly nod in response to his insessant questioning about how much I wanted for him) and got his wallet out and actually ripped out a wad of notes and waved them in my face, telling me I was selfish as I could 'have another baby'.
He always asks if he can 'touch' him too at which point I tell him to sod off and we leg it.

Someone overheard him asking to touch one day and said he was only joking, but he looks deadly serious and bores his eyes straight into mine in a threatening way which I don't like - as if he is trying to will me to say yes. I won't put up with it and cross the street to get away from him or whatever - luckily he is slow - it's usually coming round a blind corner we meet him.
DS1 is 4 and before he started asking to buy DS2, DS1 told me he didn't like him and when I asked why he said 'I don't know but I don't like him - he scares me'

I don't talk to him anymore and now I feel I can go to the shops again.

posieparker · 12/11/2009 10:49

YANBU, talk to your local police station for advice.

edam · 12/11/2009 11:41

Things that strike me as not typical for an elderly man who is fond of children in a nice way are:

  • Coming round the back of the house uninvited and with a made-up excuse.

  • Asking which bedroom is dd's

  • Unfriendly attitude to totalmisfit and her dh - refusing to talk about his supposed hobby to dh. Most elderly people I've known who are fond of children are only too willing to chat to the parent.

All of those would worry me. And I lived in a village as a child and knew lots of lovely elderly men and women who liked to see children playing etc. etc. etc - and now live in a road where our elderly neighbours are very kind to children including ds.

frogetyfrog · 12/11/2009 12:03

I live in a small village and to me this doesnt sound that unusual. I think that some old men do have poor social skills. The bedroom thing I think it easily explained away - he could just be making conversation in his odd way or he may be comparing the house with another he has had a history with in the street. I may well ask how many bedrooms a house has while chatting about it with the owner and I know for a fact other people have asked me in general conversation. The bit about old peoples hair and remembering them as a child is easily explained in that he is simply saying that its nice to spend some time around young people as old people are 'old'! I dont actually think that conversation is odd at all when his wife has just died and he is fond of seeing your little girl which is the common interest between you and him. There is an old lady close to us who has taken a massive shine to one of my dds bringing her presents and waiting to see her. My dd genuinely brings delight to this old ladies life and if the old lady sees me in the street she will walk up and say something like 'well where is she (dd?)'. She hugs her and throws her in the air when she sees her. If it was a man should I be worried. That said, we, as parents, need to always supervise our children around any stranger and I wouldnt let my dd go alone to this old ladies house but in the real world my dd is probably more at risk from the vicar or the school teacher or one of her friends parents. There are lots and lots of odd characters in villages. Always have been, probably always will be. Its sad to be so suspicious when most abuse takes place by either relatives or respectable men.

luciemule · 12/11/2009 12:15

60's isn't old. My FIL is in his 60's and he wouldn't dream of approaching a young child and conducting such strange 'chats'.
The age thing doesn't wash with me. A bloke in his 60's has grown up in a society that does understand about social boundaries when it comes to children.............unless of course he has an illness as I previously said.

porcamiseria · 12/11/2009 13:11

YANBU

There is a difference between "friendly old man" and this frankly strange behaviour. You are being rightly concerned and its not just the hormones.

I am very suprised by elephants comments too, did she properly read your thread??

I agree though that you do dont want to stir up a "witch hunt" for someone who might be just a bit off.I am not a criminal profiler though so I cant make comments like "he is OK" "he is not a peado" and TBH I just dont know enough.

Suggest you discuss with DH the best action to take, and make sure you are both comfortable but what you decide to do.Though the GP and community police suggestions are worth considering.

But I would also be uncomfortable with what you describe.

Please discuss with DH and do something, as then at least you can feel like you are in action and not just a passive victim of this strange behaviour

madamearcati · 12/11/2009 13:15

When you say he came round the back of your house ,do you mean along a road running along the back of your gardens/yards ?Surely if you are at the end of the terrace he would have to go round your house to get to his friends, and you do know that people of that generation considered it more polite to call at the back door than the front.

madamearcati · 12/11/2009 13:18

and I think the number of bedrooms is a perfectly normal question, in a small village, any way.he might have been wondering if the end terrace had more beds than the inner terrace or how you will manage with another DC. You have put to it your own interpretation that he was trying to guess which is your DDs bedroom.some of your other comments are a bit OTT such as his 'boring' eyes and looking at your DD as if she were some sort of prey.

madamearcati · 12/11/2009 13:21

sorry the boring eyes thing was another thread

anonymous85 · 12/11/2009 13:40

YANBU at all. It really creeped me out just reading it all. Go with your gut instinct.

We have, just in the last couple of months, had a new neighbour move in next door and he is creepy. He looks about late 60, talks odd - when he does talk, looks just like a pedo and you just look at him and he gives you the creeps. When he first moved in I tried searching if there were any pedo lists but they're too vague. They are out there and I believe if you feel uncomfortable, do everything to protect yourself from that.

Our dog had pups and we kept one, our front yard is fully fenced and you have to get through a gate to come in and he started opening the gate and coming in and feeding the dogs, I'd even be hearing our gate open and close at night. I rang the cops to see what we can do about it, nothing really, they do patrol the area and put our st down, I have seen them in our street. DH has put locks on the front gate too and this has stopped him entering, but he still leans over the fence, he just creeps me out.

This concerning - not a dog, but your DD, I would personally try and move instead of living where you are always feeling uneasy. Like what if your DD is out in the yard playing and he comes in and your DH isn't home??

I'd try and get outta there if I could, lonely old guy with no personal skills or not, you don't know his history or past or anything, and if he is demented too, some elderly do have tempers, you don't know what he could do, he's obviously not behaving normally already.

RnB · 12/11/2009 13:43

YANBU

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frogetyfrog · 12/11/2009 13:52

annonymous - what does a paedo look like then? Are all slightly odd people paedos. This thread has really disturbed and worried me. Not totally sure of my facts but think I am right in saying that out of all of us on this thread there is far more likely to be one (or more) of our husbands, partners or relatives who is a paedophile than the openly odd person on the street. Food for thought.

frogetyfrog · 12/11/2009 13:56

And I am still totally confused how an old man asking how many bedrooms your house has can be taken to mean he is working out which is your dds bedroom!! Whats he going to do when you say two - work out which is the bigger then shin up a drainpipe to get to her room! Come on.....

pagwatch · 12/11/2009 14:02

Could you just sketch what a pedo looks like anonymous.

My 13 years old son has a speech problem and odd behaviour. Do I have to break it to him now that when he is 60 he will need to embrace paedophilia.

OP. If you feel uncomfortable then obviously steer clear of this man. If you are brusque he will get the hint.
If it is any comfort I would be far more worried about a smiling friendly genial person - the fact that he is gruff means you are backing off from him. Most paedophiles attempt to gain the friendship and trust of the childthey like or their family in order to 'access' the child. And they are the most likely paedophiles you will meet.
Most children are abused by family members of person with a close trusted connection with their family.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 12/11/2009 14:08

Agree - he doesn't sound like a paedophile, just a slightly odd, possibly very lonely, man.

60 is not old, BTW !

edam · 12/11/2009 14:12

anonymous, what does a "pedo" look like exactly? (Btw, think you'll find it is paedophile.)