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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or does this man have an unhealthy interest in my 3 yr old?

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totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:20

I should probably say i've no desire to stir up a witch-hunt or make an already unhappy man's life any harder than it is, but i feel i have to share this here as i need some objective opinions.

As a few MNers will know, dh, dd (3.8) and i have been living in a small coastal village on the edge of the known universe for the past year. There are a few 'characters' shall we say, one of whom is a widower in his 60s whom various villagers have described to me as 'a bit odd, since his wife died 8 yrs ago and he's had to bring up 2 boys by himself'.

His kids are now in their mid-teens and known locally as giving him a pretty tough time. Obviously all this must have been incredibly hard for him to deal with, and it's no wonder they have had their problems growing up, considering what they've been through.

What worries me is that this man seems increasingly obsessed with dd. At first it was something you could laugh off; if he stopped dead in his tracks passing our house and said to another passer-by 'Look at that hair!' 'Look at that hair!'(she's a redhead) whilst staring at her , i'd just end up thinking 'that's just old Dave' (as i'll call him for argument's sake) but soon it became him stopping us, quite agressively (his social skills are pretty nonexistent) and demanding to know her name, where she went to nursery, etc etc. When i challenged him (quite tactfully) as to why he wanted to know all these things, he said 'Oh, i like to know about all the children in the village'. Which made me vaguely uneasy.

Now every time we pass him in the street he stares and stares at her like she's some small kind of prey. He only lives round the corner but he seems to walk up and down our road even more than you'd expect. Quite often, as he did this morning, he'll announce 'here she is!' as he sees her, with really victory in his voice, not in the way a kindly relative might to a small child he knows well. as in he's been walking up and down, waiting to see her (or so it seems to me, admittedly my late pg hormones could be blowing this out of all proportion, as it does seem to have escalated since he announced he had found out i was pregnant, but that's another story).

A couple of weeks ago, he came round to the back of our house (we're end of terrace) saying he'd been looking for one of our neighbours. dh said the bloke in question wasn't in, and tried to engage him in polite conversation about his other interest, bird watching. He didn't really respond to these overtures but replied very abruptly, staring up at the house 'Where is she?'. Dh was a bit taken aback and mumbled something like, 'er she's just playing...' then tried to change the subject. Dave returned to the subject of dd again 'it's amazing when you see little children and they're just so full of life' and in the next breath 'I think about death a lot, since my wife died. When you see old people, and they haven't got much hair, sometimes you can see a trace of the child they used to be...' Dh faltered and tried again to change the subject. Dave replied, again staring up at our house 'Hmm, how many bedrooms has this house got?' At this point i was listening to the exchange and it occured to me, maybe he was trying to work out which bedroom was dd's so i interjected with 'what an odd question!' before dh could tell him it only had 2. What gets me is there's no facade of friendliness towards dh (or me particularly, he actually seems to look at me like i'm a nuisance and never addresses me) he's very direct about the fact he's only interested in dd.

After he'd gone, i mentioned my uneasiness to dh and he agreed it had been a particularly odd conversation 'even for him'. We decided to keep a civilised distance from him from then on, however it doesn't seem to have deterred the bloke from just 'being there' almost every time we venture out. If we drive past him he just stares and stares into back of the car. I can't quite describe his look, but it chills me to the bone.

I'm nearly 7 months pregnant, dependant on waddling up and down on public transport with her during the week, and feeling pretty vulnerable, i suppose. I've lost count of the number of seemingly 'close to the bone' comments he's made about her over the months and it's freaking me out. I'm sure you'll all knock some sense into me anyway. I should add that like most mums i'm well used to dd getting all the attention from passers by and being made a fuss of generally (it's largely a retirement village, so you can imagine) but this feels very different somehow.

OP posts:
thesunshinesbrightly · 12/11/2009 21:04

Reading the rest of this thread and i am amazed how some pass this of as normal behavior or a lonely friendly old man it is ridulous, he is only interested in her DD! this is how things happen.

BreadAndJam · 13/11/2009 11:15

Actually I don't think this is how things happen - thesunshinesbrightly

"Things happen" or children are abused, in the vast majority of cases, by people who appear respectable and normal and are trusted and thought safe by the child and family.

People who are overtly odd and go around exhibiting slightly strange behaviour, are not usually dangerous, they are just odd. And in need of friends rather than visits from the police to accuse them of looking strangely at children.

Obviously you wouldn't ask them to babysit or leave your child alone with them, but that is because they are lacking in everyday social skills and common sense, not because they are are out to harm your child.

haveemailedtoniandguy · 13/11/2009 11:22

Just catching up on this thread.

Anonymous your comments make you sound as thick as two short planks, and your links are horrible.

GhoulsAreLoud · 13/11/2009 11:39

Gosh your links are very accurate anonymous.

I worked with a colleage who turned out to be a peadophile who was arrested and convicted.

He was a good-looking young man of 28.

Uncanny, huh?

Jackaroo · 13/11/2009 12:20

For some reason I read all the answers before reading the OP, and having done it in that order I think, I'm afraid, that it is as serious as you think it is. Not that I think he will do anything, but that his interest is extra-ordinary. Anyone who thinks that is the work of a lonely old man may not have experienced this level of attention.

As someone who has been stalked, and had a boyfriend who has been stalked,(different situations, just a coincidence) the switching on and off of reactions, depending on whether they were talking to the subject or a friend/relative, rings huge bells. As do several other comments.

It is terrifying, especially when you are feeling so vunerable (as others have said), and frankly, if you are already thinking of moving, I would. It's just not worth it.

Again, I don't mean that he's going to act in any way, but the constant nervousness/worry/tension is utterly draining and emotionally wearing at a time when you really just want to enjoy being a family.

So pleased you have a helpful police force, makes such a difference, and a DH who gets it too, and agrees.

HTHs rather than spooks you any further.

J

PS to reiterate, thsi man is ONLY 60, and has teenagers; he is not someone in their late 80's who has lived alone for 15 years.

thesunshinesbrightly · 13/11/2009 13:22

Your opinion, my opinion.

ilovepiccolina · 13/11/2009 13:37

I think it's worth keep trying to get more info out of the other villagers - is there a pub? Or some sort of playgroup/coffee morning where you or DH could engage people in conversation & try to get more info about this man? IME (moving from London to a small city & then to a village) village-dwellers need a bit of time and/or 'lubrication' before they start to open up.

It seems to me that you need to 'know' this man a bit more so that you can form more of an insight into his behaviour.

anonymous85 · 13/11/2009 15:00

haveemailedwhoever good for you ;) did you feel real good posting that? I'm sure you did. Pat on the back to you dear

Ghouls - I DID say sterotypically Some posters on on here really carry on with crap sometimes, look for any excuse to slag someone - pretty pathetic. Have you seriously no undertanding of what I meant at all, you have no idea about the stereotype look - or you trying to big note yourself on here in front of everyone, as haveemailed is trying to do I'm sure it's the later.

Cannot believe some people would have no understanding at all of what I was saying, talk about as thick as two short plank

Kathyis12feethighandbites · 13/11/2009 15:06

I don't understand what you were saying Anonymous, and I'm not thick - maybe you weren't as clear as you thought.
I can't work out if you really believe that paedophiles can be identified by appearance, or if you're wittily parodying people who think they can, or you mean something completely different. Please do clarify.

anonymous85 · 13/11/2009 15:20

Our neighbour is strange, very odd and gives me the creeps and he looks just like the sterotype look of a paedophile. Of course not all them have that look or fit the sterotype, nor can you really tell by someones appearance if they are one or not. He just looks like the type of man I named in first given link. Most people know of the creepy look as in the sterotype given. And generally most people with a neighbour who is odd and looks like that would be wary of the man. And YES I am wrong to judge, he could be lovely but has defintely been proving otherwise, I have no interest in having D&M with him, that's the way I feel.

mathanxiety · 13/11/2009 15:34

Please tell your DH that you will not compromise the safety of your DD just on the basis of what the local reaction might be. If he won't approach this obsessed weirdo, then let the WPC do it. It is very telling that she took all of this so seriously. The remark you report about 'preserving young children with all their innocence and beauty' sent shivers down my spine. The police can deal with the wild sons too.

mathanxiety · 13/11/2009 15:36

Need to add, the police would much rather deal with this situation before it becomes some sort of tragedy than after some damage is done.

Earlybird · 13/11/2009 15:48

totalmisfit - given that you are pregnant now, and live in a 2 BR house, are there any plans to move to a larger place (and thus probably further away from this man)?

Kathyis12feethighandbites · 13/11/2009 17:00

Of course, the remark about preserving children in their innocence and beauty might just be a reference to the fact that his sons who were presumably once innocent and adorable like all children are now difficult - like one someone looks at your tiny baby and says 'Don't you wish they would stay like that?' But you're not wrong to see it from other angles too, particularly in the context of his other comments.

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