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Or does this man have an unhealthy interest in my 3 yr old?

114 replies

totalmisfit · 11/11/2009 21:20

I should probably say i've no desire to stir up a witch-hunt or make an already unhappy man's life any harder than it is, but i feel i have to share this here as i need some objective opinions.

As a few MNers will know, dh, dd (3.8) and i have been living in a small coastal village on the edge of the known universe for the past year. There are a few 'characters' shall we say, one of whom is a widower in his 60s whom various villagers have described to me as 'a bit odd, since his wife died 8 yrs ago and he's had to bring up 2 boys by himself'.

His kids are now in their mid-teens and known locally as giving him a pretty tough time. Obviously all this must have been incredibly hard for him to deal with, and it's no wonder they have had their problems growing up, considering what they've been through.

What worries me is that this man seems increasingly obsessed with dd. At first it was something you could laugh off; if he stopped dead in his tracks passing our house and said to another passer-by 'Look at that hair!' 'Look at that hair!'(she's a redhead) whilst staring at her , i'd just end up thinking 'that's just old Dave' (as i'll call him for argument's sake) but soon it became him stopping us, quite agressively (his social skills are pretty nonexistent) and demanding to know her name, where she went to nursery, etc etc. When i challenged him (quite tactfully) as to why he wanted to know all these things, he said 'Oh, i like to know about all the children in the village'. Which made me vaguely uneasy.

Now every time we pass him in the street he stares and stares at her like she's some small kind of prey. He only lives round the corner but he seems to walk up and down our road even more than you'd expect. Quite often, as he did this morning, he'll announce 'here she is!' as he sees her, with really victory in his voice, not in the way a kindly relative might to a small child he knows well. as in he's been walking up and down, waiting to see her (or so it seems to me, admittedly my late pg hormones could be blowing this out of all proportion, as it does seem to have escalated since he announced he had found out i was pregnant, but that's another story).

A couple of weeks ago, he came round to the back of our house (we're end of terrace) saying he'd been looking for one of our neighbours. dh said the bloke in question wasn't in, and tried to engage him in polite conversation about his other interest, bird watching. He didn't really respond to these overtures but replied very abruptly, staring up at the house 'Where is she?'. Dh was a bit taken aback and mumbled something like, 'er she's just playing...' then tried to change the subject. Dave returned to the subject of dd again 'it's amazing when you see little children and they're just so full of life' and in the next breath 'I think about death a lot, since my wife died. When you see old people, and they haven't got much hair, sometimes you can see a trace of the child they used to be...' Dh faltered and tried again to change the subject. Dave replied, again staring up at our house 'Hmm, how many bedrooms has this house got?' At this point i was listening to the exchange and it occured to me, maybe he was trying to work out which bedroom was dd's so i interjected with 'what an odd question!' before dh could tell him it only had 2. What gets me is there's no facade of friendliness towards dh (or me particularly, he actually seems to look at me like i'm a nuisance and never addresses me) he's very direct about the fact he's only interested in dd.

After he'd gone, i mentioned my uneasiness to dh and he agreed it had been a particularly odd conversation 'even for him'. We decided to keep a civilised distance from him from then on, however it doesn't seem to have deterred the bloke from just 'being there' almost every time we venture out. If we drive past him he just stares and stares into back of the car. I can't quite describe his look, but it chills me to the bone.

I'm nearly 7 months pregnant, dependant on waddling up and down on public transport with her during the week, and feeling pretty vulnerable, i suppose. I've lost count of the number of seemingly 'close to the bone' comments he's made about her over the months and it's freaking me out. I'm sure you'll all knock some sense into me anyway. I should add that like most mums i'm well used to dd getting all the attention from passers by and being made a fuss of generally (it's largely a retirement village, so you can imagine) but this feels very different somehow.

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frogetyfrog · 12/11/2009 14:17

Why is it that nowadays anybody slightly different appears to be labelled as a paedophile when there is so much publicity about the fact that most paedophiles are the average friendly, respectable person. It used to be the case that people looked after the odd vulnerable members of society, not scorned them. Didnt it?

Rhubarb · 12/11/2009 14:17

I've not read all the comments, but from reading the OP it seems pretty clear to me that this man obv has mental health issues.

If he was somehow stalking you and your dd for dubious purposes, he wouldn't be quite so obvious about it. The fact that he is being very very obvious makes me conclude that he does suffer from some kind of mental health problem.

He could have autism or aspergers whereby he wouldn't know what was socially appropriate and what was not.

I would speak to other neighbours who probably know him much better than you do. See what they make of it all and what they advise. They'll be able to keep an eye out for you at least. But I wouldn't worry that he's an abuser.

anonymous85 · 12/11/2009 15:09

What does a pedo look like? Want a sketch? Of course anyone can be one - but you know the famous ones you might have seen on the news, they have a creepy look about themselves, dated glasses - you must know what I'm talking about.

Here is a link -

How to spot a pedo

Our neighbour SERIOUSLY looks like Dennis Ferguson in that link. Call me judgemental shallow - whatever - meh. Our neighbour is totally weird and creepy and I cannot stand him and make me uncomfortable - especially coming in and out of our yard

Here's some other stereotypical looks too, don't play dumb we all know the "pedophile look"

more info here

Rhubarb · 12/11/2009 15:55

Sorry, it's paedophile sorry to be a pain but I hate American spelling!

Hullygully · 12/11/2009 16:09

I totally failed that guess the paedo quiz.

claw3 · 12/11/2009 16:28

I guessed 13 out of 19, so if i keep my befriending strangers limit to 13 i should be safe, right!

Hullygully · 12/11/2009 16:34

I'm liking the paedo smile. Going to start looking out for that one.

claw3 · 12/11/2009 16:42

LOL im loving the serial killer van and there has to be something wrong with him hat

tethersend · 12/11/2009 16:42

"It used to be the case that people looked after the odd vulnerable members of society, not scorned them. Didnt it?"

Yes. And it also used to be the case that children were abused, hushed into secrecy, disbelieved and even punished if they told.

The two things are not necessarily linked, but I don't think nostalgia is useful here...

Hullygully · 12/11/2009 16:44

Def getting one of those hats.

claw3 · 12/11/2009 16:45

Ha ha! Dp has a similar hat, perhaps ive applied my befriending strangers limit a bit too late.

Hullygully · 12/11/2009 16:47

Am also feeling strong leanings towards the Jesus' purple number. Snazzy.

claw3 · 12/11/2009 16:53

Hey i have a public masturbator trench coat too. Im going to stop clicking on the link now!

frogetyfrog · 12/11/2009 16:55

tethersend - I dont think its nostalgia though. Certainly where I live it still exists and there is a very tight community where people look after each other. And it could be that youve got it wrong - I think within families and with the respected members of society there were the secrets and the disbelieving etc which is soo wrong and thank god less so today. But my understanding from my grandparents was that if somebody from outside the family who was not the vicar or doctor got caught hurting children, the village sorted them out. Same with rapists - I remember one chap in my village when I was growing up being 'sorted' for sleeping with a young (consenting) girl. But it comes back to the age old problem that most abuse takes place within the family or by people very close to the family. The scenario described by the op doesnt fit that. It cant be right to automatically assume that every oddball is a paedophile. Its not fair and not humane and makes them even more isolated.

edam · 12/11/2009 17:18

anonymous - yeah, that would be slightly amusing if it weren't about sexual offences against children. I tend to have a sense of humour failure on that topic.

yellowflowers · 12/11/2009 17:30

I think it would be a good idea to have an informal chat with the community police too. If he had any previous convictions they will know about it though they won't be able to tell you (though if you know his name you can do a newspaper search). This isn;t suggesting a witchhunt - I believe in the rehabilitation of offenders, but it is good to know whether you are paranoid or not.

liath · 12/11/2009 18:52

"It used to be the case that people looked after the odd vulnerable members of society, not scorned them. Didnt it?"

Hmm, I would have imagined that a lot of these particular members of society ended up being accused of withcraft & burnt at the stake! Humans have a pretty long history of maltreatment of any misfits.

totalmisfit · 12/11/2009 19:49

hi all, didn't mean to stir up the time-honoured mnet debates about paedophilia but i am really grateful to all who've posted as you've given me all possible perspectives on this.

about the bedrooms thing - as he knows a lot of people on my road, he knows that they're all basically 2 up, 2 down, but some now have huge extensions, loft conversions etc...

i think the reason it worried me was that it was only in the context of the rest of the 'conversation', which basically only featured dd, death and as dh reminded me after i posted, something like 'don't you just want to preserve young children with all their innocence and beauty, just the way they are?' and that i knew as soon as dh replied '2 beds', he'd know there was a 50/50 possiblity dd's is the one which is overlooked by the back of his house, rather than if we had loft conversions etc. Maybe it was a paranoid thought, but i'm just saying what occured to me in that moment.

Anyway, i did speak to the local police who sent a very understanding WPC round to see me this morning. I told her everything i've told you lot, and she was very, very concerned. I was actually surprised as i'm more used to the 'Chief Wiggum' school of policing.

She says i basically have 3 options as far as she can see:

1, do nothing.
2, ask her to go round and give him an informal warning.
3, Issue a harrassment order.

I'm v grateful she's taking this so seriously, she's also passing what i've told her to 'intelligence' that wasn't optional, just something she's been trained to do in these circumstances. I proposed to dh a 3rd option in which we 'do nothing' but he goes round and tries to explain why his behaviour is causing us concern. Anyway, i have to call her back tonight or tomorrow and let her know.

I'm thinking either that or option 2 might be best in this situation, but dh is now saying he's worried about the village reaction. Part of me is worried about how we'd be percieved and part of me thinks 'fuck that, dd's safety is all that matters'. But then the WPC also told me to be careful of backlash, particularly from Dave's sons, who i don't know any more than she does, but have been told by villagers are a bit 'wild', whatever that means.

I know, as a lot of people have said that asking around a bit more might glean some answers, but when you're not a local, you basically rely on 'the locals' giving up titbits voluntarily; if you ask you get met with a brick wall quite often, eg there was some 'scandal' between the local church and school about 10 yrs ago, which has resulted in a rift, but if i ask what it was i get deflected with 'oh, it was a long time ago/ they don't like to talk about it round here'. completely unrelated i'm sure, but you get the picture.

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totalmisfit · 12/11/2009 19:53

i meant i proposed a 4th option, obviously.

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nattiecake · 12/11/2009 19:57

it doesnt matter whether hes socialy inept, mentally ill or a paedophile, what matters is that he makes you uncomfortable and dd will pick up on that

if dh did go round, could he say that dd has noticed his interest in her, and is scared that he watching her. perhaps having nightmares about him? just ask him nicely and kindly if she reminds him of someone and explain that you're just concerned about your dd (not because you think hes going to kidnap her or anything, but because she is uncomfortable) that way he is aware that he is bothering you, without anyone accusing him of anything when he may well be innocent, and you can take it further if it continues?

hope that makes sense, lol!

lindsaygii · 12/11/2009 20:02

The chances are that he's just desperately lonely, but all the same, I think speaking to the police was the right thing to do. Not least because you have put down a marker, so if things go on, the police are already aware of it as an ongoing problem.

But given your village situation, Option 4 does sound best to me. Since you are pregnant, DH can use your physical state, plus the fact you are soon to have a new baby in the house as a tactful reason for him to stay away for a while.

Hopefully his mild obsession will wear off with a bit of distance. If it doesn't then you go back to the police.

If he has 'wild' sons, sending the police to his door (especially when their mum has only just died and their father is clearly still grieving) is not a great idea.

Difficult one, though, isn't it? I do feel for you. Good luck.

Ronaldinhio · 12/11/2009 20:04

I think you should make it clear to hiim that his behaviour is freaking you out.
That way if he persists you can can escalate your displeasure and the ways in which you make it known to him.
Gut instinct is there for a reason and anyone hanging around that made me uneasy would really make me stop and work out a plan of action.

Everything is always worse when you aren't at full fitness and therefore feel more vulnerable

As a btw my uncle was absolutely obsessed with me as a child...my mum said it freaked her out as he would almost knock my dad and her over to get to me. He had 5 boys and just wanted to be with a little girl
My mum hated it though and thought he was a maniac

liath · 12/11/2009 20:05

The WPC sounds lovely and it's nice to hear that the police are reacting appropriately. I'd agree that your option 4 sounds reasonable - a police visit or harrassment order both sound a bit OTT at this stage. What an awkward situation for you, though - as people have said there's every chance this guy is just a bit odd but essentially harmless....but if you have small kids there will always be a tiny voice in your head thinking "but what if he actually IS the homicidal maniac of my worst nightmares and I do nothing about it?".

BreadAndJam · 12/11/2009 20:33

You must speak to him yourself first. Or get your dh to speak to him.

If he is innocent of anything other than being lonely and trying in an inept way to be friendly to new people in his village, then having the police suddenly turn up on his doorstep accusing him of harrassing you, is going to be a massive shock to him.

thesunshinesbrightly · 12/11/2009 20:56

It DOES sound like a weirdo, and i would be extremly careful, this thread sent shivers down my spine!!!!