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and disloyal to womankind to NOT find this offensive?

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Astrid28 · 26/10/2009 11:26

I am now a SAHM. DH runs his own company and it got to the point where I could give up work if I wanted to. I wanted to, so here I am.

DH transfers money for the food shopping into my account and I also use the joint account for other things, like birthday presents, DD's lessons/pre-school clothes shopping etc.

A friend of mine has described me on several occasions as being an old fashioned housewife.

I laughed and said I suppose I am! She then went on to say that I shouldn't be pleased with the situation. Don't I find my life boring, and what about my life when my kids grow up and leave home - what then?

I'm still very happy with my situation, but should I be?? Am I 'letting the side' down?

OP posts:
MissMoopy · 26/10/2009 22:51

I don't think I am amazing. I think people want and need different things out of life. I was being sarcastic, sorry!
I think it is a delicate balance between choice and financial constraints for most of us. But I do feel that there is a feeling of moral superiority from some of the SAHM. Perhaps I am wrong.

sabire · 26/10/2009 22:51

"Two years of nature projects, toddler groups, baking biscuits and braving the science museum did me in".

Christ - I've never done things like this.

I preferred to crawl around expensive shops with my young'uns, laughing at the hideous handbags and experimenting with the perfumes and make up. Or lying on the sofa together watching old cartoons and eathing biscuits. Or visiting my mum to hang out with her to chat about .... oh, all sorts of rubbish, just enjoying being with her and my children (my mum is going to be 80 soon and I treasure every minute with her, and watching her with my kids).

"I craved long, meaningful adult conversation, meaty intellectual work, a reason to wear nice clothes"

Are all the mums you know fembots or something? I know a great bunch of fellow parents - very diverse, from those who run their own businesses, to nurses, academics, and teenage mums on benefits with half a dozen kids, who I see every morning down at the school gates. When I was at work full time I only ever used to talk to people in the same field - teaching. YAWN! We talk about all sorts and make each other fall about laughing.

"a bit of status, money that was mine...so many things."

Ah well, you can't have everything can you? Most of us can scrape together enough to have lunch together every now and again, and buy our kids christmas presents. No expensive cars though, or designer clothes. But then - who cares? The women I meet at the school gates often look amazing, though they buy their clothes from market stalls and ebay. You don't have to have money to have fun with fashion!

"I just genuinely found it mind numbing after a while",

Don't you read novels? Or take photographs or draw? Or read newspapers? Or volunteer? Christ - I'm NEVER bored. Even when I have to do piles of washing up or laundry I have a book on CD to listen to, or something on BBC iplayer to enjoy.

"and couldn't imagine not working while I am young enough and strong enough and energetic enough to do it".

As for having a fulfilling career while working - yes, I'm sure some people do. But despite having bags of confidence, I only have a certain amount of energy and if I'm putting 50 hours a week into paid employment, I realistically won't have much left over to run my household or spend on my children. I'd just be too knackered, unless I could persuade someone else to take over running my home most of the time and looking after my children before, during and after school, as I wouldn't be home until 6pm (and my youngest goes to bed at 7pm) .

I appreciate some people do do it and enjoy it - most of the women I know who manage it (particularly those with 3 or 4 young children) are fearsomely organised, very energetic, and (more to the point) rarely stop to draw breath. I've tried it and I found it terrifying - my whole life was scheduled down to the last minute, trying to fit everything in, and the days and weeks flew by in a blur of work, work, work. I felt like someone was pressing the fast-forward button on my life. I had to drop my studies, didn't read a book for a month, stopped all my creative hobbies, and was asleep dribbling on the sofa by 10pm every night........ What sort of life is that?

woozlet · 26/10/2009 22:51

As long as you are happy to SAH and your DH is happy to support you and DC's financially then who cares what anyone else thinks.

For me, I am back working PT to keep my hand in so that I can work FT again in about 5 years or so. I also have to work as we can't survive on just dh's salary, well we could but we would struggle, but I really like the praise/validation that I get at work and enjoy doing something that's just for me. Apples - your day sounds lovely, but I don't fancy pottering around like that every day, until I am retired! That's just me though

MaggieBruja · 26/10/2009 22:52

I'm not and never have sneered at people who work. I'm batting off the offensive comments I'm reading about SAH mothers.

It is rude and blinkered to say 'it's amazing what you can do if you put your mind to it' (ie, be like me!).

Or, to assume that I could have your job or a job like it! Maybe I can't. And it that case, well if we're all chasing after fulfilling jobs, then not ALL of us are going to get them.

I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm not trapped and I'm don't lack confidence. I will work again, because I suppose I will have to when the children are both at school...... not looking forward to it particularly. I prefer being my own manager.

MaggieBruja · 26/10/2009 22:56

Funnily enough, if a working mother posted on MN that she was exhausted commuting, bored at work, only just about breaking even for all her efforts, the same posters would probably support her if she said she was going to give up. But you have to try it their way first, as it (?) respects their choice??

sabire · 26/10/2009 22:57

Quattro - I'm leaving a job free for someone who needs the money in order to pay the mortgage.

DH and I scrape by on one not huge salary and that's fine by us.

What - should we both work full-time so we can afford to buy a top of the range car and send our kids to private school? How does that benefit society - having large numbers of people unemployed at the same time as having lots of two income households with massive disposable incomes?

Personally I think that if more households had a SAHM or a SAHD, or two parents working part-time and sharing the domestic load between them, the world would be a much happier place - particularly for children. Though there might not be such a good market for expensive handbags and designer wall-paper.

ABatDead · 26/10/2009 22:57

thedolly - if all WOHMs stopped working and went home to just sit on the sofa and drink coffee while their DCs were out at school/nursery the GDP of the economy would collapse. The country would be bankrupted.

Just the same as if all WOHDs just went home and stopped working.

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry · 26/10/2009 22:58

EdgarAllanPoo ? good points coming from someone with a very good moniker!

TheFallenMadonna · 26/10/2009 22:58

at the happy children vs expensive handbags thing there.

kneedeepinthedirtylaundry · 26/10/2009 23:01

goodnight ladies. Thanks for an interesting chat.

sabire · 26/10/2009 23:04

Sorry TheFallenMadonna - but I live in an area where many women have to work full-time, and the quality of childcare is pretty poor. When I was working f/t my own children hated having to be hustled out the house early in the morning to a shitty breakfast club at school, and not getting home from after school club until 6pm. I suspect lots of children feel the same. Maybe not those with lovely nannies, or being looked after by grandparents or really good childminders/first rate nurseries. Sadly for many children childcare is a mish-mash of 'needs must' options. It certainly was for mine when I was working.

MissMoopy · 26/10/2009 23:04

Not sure its about new car versus happy well adjusted child?
Goodnight all, I've got - whispers quietly - work tomorrow!

Quattrofangs · 26/10/2009 23:04

Economic growth isn't a zero-sum game though. So by this I mean that if you were to work, the person who theoretically could have been employed in your job but now can't be employed might start a new business which would catch on ... More money circulating around the economy.

As a full-time working parent, married to a full-time working parent, I do have to say that I have great sympathy with the POV that life just gets too busy and it might be better all round for less work to be undertaken by parents.

MaggieBruja · 26/10/2009 23:04

The thing is, it seems to be ok to say grossly patronising things to sahms but she does raise a good point... sometimes people who say they HAVE to work, buy a load of shit!! Taht's their perogative! AND< it's a different issue from enjoying your job and feeling that it adds soemthing to your life.

For many people, a job takes away from your life, not adds to it, or becomes it.

ninah · 26/10/2009 23:05

gosh, can you trade them in? mine's a Tod
night all

MaggieBruja · 26/10/2009 23:06

MissMoopy, I'll probably go down to the beach while it's so mild. or, I might read some of my philippa gregory book, then I'll go for a coffee before picking up the little one. sigh!

sabire · 26/10/2009 23:09

The handbag comment was made in jest....

But I seem to have touched a nerve.

MissMoopy · 26/10/2009 23:09

Enjoy! I hope you are truly fulfilled ;-)

EdgarAllenPoo · 26/10/2009 23:10

I can't help but wonder who is paying for you to idle your time away picking walnuts and baking 17th century tarts. Because either you made the money yourself (fair play) or you're living off someone else. Be it the taxpayer or your husband or your parents.

'No man is an island' quattro - everyone is dependant.

i think people value 'being the breadwinner' so much simply because this has historically been the higher-status role.

I think associating 'dependancy' with not doing paid work is misled. I am so much more dependant whilst working (on my childcare, my husband for lifts, my colleagues for sharing work load etc) than i would be at home making up my own schedule.

TheFallenMadonna · 26/10/2009 23:12

LOL at ninah!

MissMoopy · 26/10/2009 23:12

No, my bag is from Primark!

sabire · 26/10/2009 23:12

How very dare you MaggieBruja.

Honestly.... (rolling eye emoticon)

coffee! walking on the beach! reading novels!

You slacker you. Wake up and smell the tippex. Get your shoulder to the wheel. There'll be time for relaxing when you're dead.

MaggieBruja · 26/10/2009 23:13

Yes, the breadwinner is dependent on childcarer.

MissMoopy, cheers, I would like more money! but hey ho.

EdgarAllenPoo · 26/10/2009 23:15

i might add, although possibly if i didn't work, we would all still survive and not perish in smoke, i really do have to work if we want to continue living any house paying a mortgage rather than rent.

MissMoopy · 26/10/2009 23:15

I really do mean it. I hope you are fulfilled and happy. Surely thats what we all want?
I too like to do those things, but I am also lucky enough to like my job too.
Hope it stays mild for you!