to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

I wasn't surprised by Nick Griffin being un-pc; I don't think anyone would expect him to be.

But I was surprised by how irrational his arguments were. Basing his opinions on primary school sex education on what he personally finds aesthetically displeasing is just bizarre.

Does that mean if I were running the country I could ban men from wearing hair gel in public because I don't like the look of it?

I was just astonished by his stupidity.

thedolly What about immigrants who have lived in towns for 10-20 years?Do they have the right to be upset by the changing racial climate?

LOL MillyR

I also don't understand this 20 year rule. I went to school with lots of English children of Asian descent 25 years ago. If the cultural mix of their home town changes, and more white people move in, are they allowed to complain about the pace of change under the 20 year rule?

for DP, it's a myth that anyone wants to ban christmas

shineon..

left you a message on your thread

bodycolder - if the changing racial climate generates a fear then yes, they have the right to be upset.

MillyR, there is no 20 year rule. It is an arbitrary time span that bears more relevance to the people of today than 17000 years does.

No one is actually 'hearing' me (with the exception of perhaps Peachy). Instead of challenging my choice of time scale, acknowledge the fear that is felt by many in 'racially tense' communities.

What are they scared of? How will voting for some thick racist alleviate the fear?

The point is that that 'thick racist' acknowledges the fear.

What fear?I ask again what are they scared of?

'When I go down into town and I see those ladies with just slits for eyes I don't know whether to look at them and smile or should I not look at them? Should I feel sorry for them because their husbands have made them dress that way or do I admire them because it is their choice. It's easier sometimes just to not bother going into town.'

This was said to me in a conversation by an older lady who has lived in the same town all her life.

Are her sentiments racist?

I do not mean to offend anyone by the language used in this post .

Easier not to go into town because you may meet someone wearing a particular style of dress? Would she be scared os a nun? Or a bishop?

The fear is that these people to whom you find it impossible to relate are now your neighbours. They are part of what seems to be a thriving community. They have children who apparently value education and they are not afraid to ask for what is rightly theirs. Meanwhile the disaffected youth of your own community hang around on street corners doing drugs.

The fear is that you will become invisible or worse still, an outcast in a place that you have always considered home.

Dolly, I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make. I am not deliberately misunderstanding what you are saying.

It is not the fault of the immigrant population though that these people feel this way It is a lack of education and integration.The BNP will not help this situation quite the reverse.

Indeed bodycolder

MillyR - I am not trying to make any earth shattering point. I am just trying to get into the minds of the type of people (based on my own limited experience) that may identify with some of what NG has to say.

Dolly, where does the old lady live, to feel this way?

if you're an English speaking child living in an area where the majority of people can't speak English, you are going to be at school with 100's of children where English is there 2nd language...that will have an impact on their education....

this is the problem the poorer working classes are faced with....it's not a problem for the politicians who want mass immigration, their children will at private school.....

daftpunk

would you please back up that statement with evidence?

Show me examples of schools where there is evidence that children can't learn when they go to school with children who weren't born here.

Because my parents used to spout this nonsense too about schools in the town where I live.

So I'm willing to bet this is another racist myth along with the Christmas one.

here we go again.

MillyR - She lives in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

banning the word christmas