to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

VW...thank you so much for taking time out to help me.....it really is very much appreciated...

i will have a good look at all links tomorrow..

peachy....you are a fab mate....thank you..

need to get some sleep ....

thanks again...

Daftpunk:

Are you basically saying:

'Everyone on this thread just seems to be a lefty liberal, and I'm tired of that. So if I say I'm going to vote BNP, that'll wind them up/shake them out of their lefty liberal pre-conceptions?'

Wot, like this one for example?

Course you can.

I stand by what I said and you misunderstood the meaning 100%.

Are you in Yorkshire DP? Pop Musicology at Leeds Doesn't need music performance, but you'd need to work up to the entry qualifications somehow.

I see no sign of that tbh.

If back pedalling on every issue to get yourself out of trouble is wanting to learn then I stand corrected.Maybe I am missing something.Lets hope those of you who are leading her down the right road aren't disappointed Night

Yes Lenin. You articulated how I feel. My father (lack of knowledge in his case) has similar views to DP but I can't hate him. I have a fantastic friend (propoganda in the media in her case) who lives in Italy who has these views, her country is implementing some really shady far right policies at the moment on immigration.

Neither my dad nor my friend are bad people and I know the limits of their opinions, they would never offend someone face to face for example. Not that that makes it ok before anyone jumps on me.

I can argue debate with my dad on it same as I can my friend. My dad just thinks I don't know what I'm talking about and my friend thinks I am lucky to live in the UK.

I hope that some good comes from this thread.

dp, wants to vote bnp, well theres a suprise....NOT

just the sort of person the bnp prey on.

or are you really that much of a desperate attention seeker.

Being dissident and disingenuous not the same thing. Dp must be on wicked wind up however as surely voting BNP and not wanting them to rule the country dis something.
Corruption is endemic. Recent revelations informed us of as much. The appeal of NG is that his deceit is pleasingly transparent and so providing a source of relief to many, particularly the poorest, of whom there are not that menny here I presume. His rhetoric is not so baffling because everyone can see how fallible it is - reassuring if you can imagine it.
Check out how power corrupts within the layers of beaurocracy that many people have to negotioate in order to provide their children with homes etc.

OK benjysmum and MillyR, I live about 3 miles from Burnley, I have worked for an estate agents on a saturday for the past 2 years, have worked at Colne, Burnley and now my local town branches.
We have had people who have refused offers from "Pakis", in this economic climate they have refused to sell their house (asking price offer) to an asian family . People who have cancelled viewings when they realised it was an Asian family viewing. They were disintructed by the Manager. When asked why they wouldn't sell they said
"I don't want any f*ing Pakis living in this street, I wouldn't do it to my neighbours". The Asian man trying to buy the house was a Doctor.
Every week without fail, someone will comment on a property being in "Pakiville", or that an Asian customer "smelt of curry" etc etc
To be fair, there is also a fair amount of rascism from Asian clients.
I find it depressing and upsetting.
The staff don't make remarks like this anymore as I have told them how wrong I find them. Thing is, the wouldn't think they are being rascist, it is just normal to say things like that to them.

indeed lizzy, its the mundane normality of it that is in itself shocking.

my in laws whisper paki ffs becuase they know i don't like that kind of language, so they mouth it or whisper...infuriating.

and they look at me like the weird one.

racist and thats all...

i don't think the word paki is racist per se - i live in an area with a large amount of asian people and the younger ones use it fairly frequently when referring to the old fuddy-duddies within their own community if they dont like them much - so it depends on the context in which it is used and who is using it - remember that big brother contestant who was kicked out for using the n word a couple of years ago?

There seem to be a lot of well educated and knowledgeable people on this thread who are appear to be ignorant as to how the 'spread of multiculturalism' and the pace with which certain communities have changed has affected people.

I also think that to fail to understand the concept of an indigenous 'british' or even 'white british' population and to instead mess around with semantics (ice age/neanderthals/15 000 err no I mean 17 000 or is it 11 000?) can be interpreted as worse than ignorant and that goes for the BNP too.

There are towns in England that bear no resemblance in terms of their population by race to what they did 20 years ago. That is a fact that matters to many a BNP supporter I am sure. Does that mean they are racist or are there other possible explanations?

'There are towns in England that bear no resemblance in terms of their population by race to what they did 20 years ago. That is a fact that matters to many a BNP supporter I am sure. Does that mean they are racist or are there other possible explanations? '

If your convern is for the effects of immigration on resources etc then that is not racist

If your concern is that are too many immigrants becuase you don't like their culttures, that is racist

It's a clear difference really; its quite possible to be concerned abbout immigration without being racist but if at any point you decide to join an organisation that is racist (come on people- KKK? NF?) then you step over to that also. It's quite possible to be racist by association.

Why should toewns resemble 20 yaers ago? I remember my home own then, blimey even the Police cars went in threes (one main, one back up and the other to sit on the edge of the estate because the locals had a stinger device, that spare could whip in and evecuate the PCs if the cars disabled). Homophobia was rife, racism was the norm and single mothers were the sum of the earth (Yep, provincial England roots, me). Twenty yuears ago wasn't some idyliic chocolate box scene, and time changes things. There are a few valid reasons to look at immigration rates, such as space and reasources, but looking like 20 years ago IMO isn't one.

There is a british type IMO, its a loose concept though and it encompases being welcoming and willing to welcome people when they are in need. I get that a lot of immigrants are financial migrants, but somehow I don't think the BNP has a wide concept of asylum seeker or would be very welcoming. Gay person from Iraqn facing execution? double horror off you go...... after all they state on their website they would send UAS (unaccompanied asylum seekers- aka children) back home, presumably alone to face whatever horrorsd they were escaping from.

Nope, my concept of Britishness is culturally variable, and has standing up for those in need at the very core.

I just don't get why people are so threatened by an influx of people of different races.

I guess a lot of it has to do with terroism and jobs etc but ignorance plays a large part.

Evolution is natural and I guess that multiculturalism is evolution. Cultures don't remain static and increasingly among there is fusion of influences in fashion, music etc.

I think it makes life more interesting and as long a sracism isnt escalating I don't see the problem.

I did English at Uni but I am very interested in other cultures and open to experimentation.

Due to the British empire, we have lone been influenced by other cultures largely to our benefit.

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