to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

DP - Child abuse, murder, manslaughter, robbery, theft, drug taking - are they all British? If a British person kills, is that a lesser crime than if an Asian person kills?

Actually, look at the BNPs policies, you will see that they have more in common with the extreme side of Islam that you realise.

yep..agree smallorange..

life is too short..

thank you to the posters who have taken time to talk sensibly with me......you know who you are...

Hmm, yes, nothing to say when presented with any kind of "sensible" argument to counter your mad views, which you seem to have given no consideration to whatsoever.

i certainly hope thats not the case dp.

I think it only fair that posters know your true beliefs whilst talking to you about their children/benefit claim/housing situation etc

nicky - his party has already been publicised. This a topical, current debate. It doesn't go away if people ignore it.

If we don't talk about it, it means we can't find common ground to stand up against the BNP and it also means that we can't understand actually what it is that makes people support them.

I do think daftpunk that if you feel the need to run when being asked to explain your voting choices that actually you don't believe in that choice.

I could (and often) do wax lyrical about my voting choices and the thiking behind them.

I can't believe I am typing this, but please vote UKIP.

{{http://www.kwahk.org/articles.asp?id=59 Well DP]] this group campaign against honour killings; the same fuzzy logic you use then suggests that only Kurdish women are opposed no?

Except that we know thats rot

Honeour killings are wrong adn the majority of people who work actively to prevent them are people from the same cultures, who also regard them as appalling.. In the same way that crime comes from a white indigenous etc background yet we do not all wish to be tarred with the tag criminal, so be it from our backgrounds...... one crime does not mean all from a culture are criminals

DP On the BNP website if you search carer it brings up soemthing that says unaccompanied asylum seekers should be sent back so as not to encroach on our educational facillities / social services the nes they mentiona re children. Do you support sending children back unaccomopanied to warzones?

If you do our efforts are wasted, frankly, becuase you will never see the workd the way I do. I am that person sufffering from a l;ack of social service input, and I still do not support it.

shes got brass balls i'll give her that

"Hats off to the woman" - you can't be serious? In case you haven't noticed, she doesn't actually debate in any way. And she's been singled out because she's the only person who has declared an intention to vote BNP.

Agree with Harpy, she's been brave, she didn't have to sit there taking all this grief from other posters, she could have spent her time on other forums where plenty of people would agree with her

agree that there hasn't been a debate

grief? fgs.

however i wouldn't confuse balls with any kind of admiration for a bnp supporter

All the people who believe DP has had a poor old hard time, presumably would not feel the same if they UTTERLY disagreed with her?

Or would they, as we are to believe all they care about here is the hard-won right to democracy?

These wouldn't, perchance, be the same kinds of people who agree with the lunatics posting on the BBC website about how awful and tragic it is that Griffin didn't get a proper hearing, that the BBC audience was hand-picked, that the BBC is populated by Jews, that think nothing of criticising a mostly peaceful protest while staying completely and totally FUCKING SILENT about all the racist violence, some perpetrated an fuelled by BNP members, that takes place in this country every day.

and and and - actually thinking about it - she got given a miriad of facts and links and information - i hardly think she was rounded on specifically becuase everyone else disagreed with her.

maybe had she actually posted any thing - ONE SINGLE fact to back up her assertions on ANY point there could have been a reasoned debate

what you witness is frustration from other posters i;m sure.

I dont think DP has been treated unfairly on this thread. Her fairly extreme views have been questioned, she however refuses to engage in any kind of debate. This is incredibly frustrating and some people have expressed their frustration and disbelief at her apparent naiveity and ignorance.

However, I have seen people been treated with more contempt on MN for far less misdemeanors than admitting to being a supported for the BNP.

that should have been a supporter of

'singled out and rounded on'

eh? God forbid that a racist should end up a pariah - NOT

sheesh!

I don't know what to think.

Well you'd better work it out becuase the only other options are being told what to think or thinking nothing, both of which are pretty poor.

Write ten questions about things that matter to you (and do not let them be dominated by any one issue) down, and go onto the big aprties and search for their take on it, or do as I do and email them directly LOL_ you can tell a lot from responses IME.

I think you misunderstood me bobbingforpeaches.

I know exactly what I think of the BNP, I know what I think about immigration etc etc etc. I know which party I support and it's certainly not the BNP or their ilk that's for sure.

What I haven't reconciled in my own mind is whether I should hate someone because of their views? Or whether I believe in allowing views that do not agree with mine to be aired freely and tolerated, even if they are abhorrent? I want to hear what people have to say, why they think the way that they do, good or bad.....but I am unsure about how I as a person should react to that person, group of people, whatever, on knowing what they think.

That will come from me and not from reading anything on a political website.