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to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

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MrJustAbout · 23/10/2009 00:04

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

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sarah293 · 24/10/2009 13:00

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Georgimama · 24/10/2009 13:01

And it helps your daughters to be raised as myopic bigots, how, exactly?

You can't really be this intransigent, dp. You have to be on a windup. It's been a slow burning wind up over the last few weeks, but it's now coming to fruition.

daftpunk · 24/10/2009 13:04

georgimama;

if you can't talk to me without insulting me.....don't bother

smee · 24/10/2009 13:04

daftpunk, all the main parties agree this country's population is now growing at too fast a rate. Labour have introduced a points system to restrict entry. The other parties are formulating their own plans, all of which aren't related to skin colour or ethnicity, it's simply about resources. The point about the BNP is that they hide their racism behind a practical problem of perceived overcrowding. Personally I think there's a lot of tabloid bilge about this anyway, but even if you say yes we need to do something about the population growth surely you can see that the BNP way isn't policy led, it's race and hatred led. NG now says 'it's okay all those who were born here can stay' but you don't have to look very far to hear him contradict that and talk about 'voluntary repatriation' - a thinly disguised euphemism if ever there was one. Your parents, and you as their child would apparently be encouraged to leave by the BNP if they ever came to power as they don't see you as British. Is that really what you want? I'd imagine not.

mwahahahamwahahahallyroger · 24/10/2009 13:08

maybe everyone should think about having fewer children then...?

daftpunk · 24/10/2009 13:09

smee;

i know all about the BNP....i have said quite a few times on here i don't want them running the country...but their rise in popularity has forced the main parties to look at the immigration problem...that has to be a positive..

mwahahahamwahahahallyroger · 24/10/2009 13:09

sorry that was to DP's comment about the country beingless crowded in the 50s.

brightongirldownunder · 24/10/2009 13:13

DP - nothing is positive about the BNP. I was in the anti nazi league for years and saw how revolting Griffin's supporters actually were during demos.

smee · 24/10/2009 13:18

dp if you know all about the BNP then you know how much hatred they incite. So either you're naive or you think that's good, yet you say your parents experienced racism so you make little sense to me. How on earth you can vote for them is beyond me. Immigration debates don't need the BNP to make them happen.

Blu · 24/10/2009 13:19

But there you have it, DaftPunk - when your parents came, the country wasn't so crowded, there were so many jobs that needed doing, in the health srvice, in transport etc etc, and STILL there were the signs: no blacks, no Irish. And blatant racism.

Because undernath all the rationale, many people are quite simply, racist. Some people may join the BNP because they believe that immigants are responsible for the strain in the NHS (which has nevertheless continued to offer an increased range of extra services to more people, year, on year, more sophisticated procedures, more succesful treatment...), some people may well be out and out racist. There will be many who are both.

My parents live in an area which suffers typical 'rural deprivation'. A German co moved into one of the towns and turned a dissused plant of some kind into a massive paper mill. To get the workforce they needed they advertised locally (huge unemployment) for managers at all levels, on the grounds that managers would need to spend 2 weeks at their existing plant in Germany, full pay, all expenses paid, obv, training. My Mum's friend works in a hair salon, and listened to person after person say they would refuse to go to germany - didn't want to leave home, didn't want to go where 'krauts' lived, blah blah. Then it was in the local paper: company had had to bring in managers from outside the area and from Germany.

THAT is a parochial mindset that leads to the 'drawbridge up' mentality of the BNP - England good, everywhere else bad, let's not be adventurous and make change, lets not be open minded and accept change, and let's cut off our noses to spite our faces'.

Blu · 24/10/2009 13:23

Also - is it REALLY possible for someone who has been in the country '5 minutes' to get a council flat?

My organisation does projects with rfugees - they either live in horrible hostels, or horrible cramped private rented. Everyone who is not a refugee has to go through the tight points-based system on council and HA lists.

daftpunk · 24/10/2009 13:24

they have cleaned up their act...they are now a legit politcal party...they want to gain more respectability and the only way to do that is to distance themselves from their past....they will do that.

1 in 5 people are considering voting for them.

brightongirldownunder · 24/10/2009 13:26

Cleaned up their act?!!! WTF???
With Griffin at the helm it will never, ever be a legit party.
Come oooonnnnn please DP.

daftpunk · 24/10/2009 13:36

Blu;

the reason i posted on this thread was because it is unreasonable to say all BNP voters are racists...that is simply not true.

i want uk born people (of any colour) housed before immigrants (of any colour)...put our people first..

and if anyone thinks there are no racists in the 3 main parties, they are seriously deluded.

the BNP are just saying it like it is.....and whether people like it or not...alot of people agree with them

Georgimama · 24/10/2009 13:36

I'm not insulting you. It is an insult to the intelligence God gave you that you don't use it. Have you got any answers to my questions. Or are you just going to regurgitate soundbites, rather than engage in the discussion.

The point has been made, and you have ignored, that in the 1950s immigrants were needed and yet they still encountered racism. What do you have to say about that?

Lizzylou · 24/10/2009 13:38

DP, please take all of these comments on board, speak with your priest and do some research of your own before you vote for this "party".
They are a "party" founded on hate and bigotry banking on knee jerk reactions from ignorant people who will blame anyone for their own misfortune, or who are simply small minded rascists. You are not an ignorant person, you are not unintelligent.
Do your research.

Georgimama · 24/10/2009 13:38

"i want uk born people (of any colour) housed before immigrants (of any colour)...put our people first.."

That is racist.

daftpunk · 24/10/2009 13:40

no GM...it is anti-immigration..

brightongirldownunder · 24/10/2009 13:43

Well if its anti immigration vote bloody Tory.
The British Nazi Party will always have affiliations with the National Front. They are RACISTS.

Georgimama · 24/10/2009 13:48

Well then, explain what you are going to do with the Somalian family with immigrant parents and children born in this country. Do the children get a house all of their lonesome? Housing is based on need.

You claim to be a Christian. Go and read what Jesus said when asked "who is my neighbour" and see what he thought about bigotry.

And in the meantime, until you can at least internally reconcile these issues, why not just avoid the threads? Because you aren't prepared to engage, and that looks suspicously like trolling to me.

BobbingForPeachys · 24/10/2009 13:57

And Dp whilst musing these thought- consider this

Even if you agree with the Bloody nasty party, their policy section contains policies on two things: immigration and crime.

Is that really what yuou want from Government?

It is not a protest vote but a stupid vote to put your name by anything with such a narrow focus and give them a manadte to do as they wish on all other issues.

Given their tolerance on what we actually know (and even if you agree you cannot call it tolerant) what do you imagine is their take on disability, carers or homelessness?

I have tried to find out from their website but cannot. I can extrapolate from what I know however (and if iot were nice they'd publish it)

Remember that when you vote for a aprty like that you write off people like me, as well as those we know they dislike.

TheShriekingHarpy · 24/10/2009 14:10

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BobbingForPeachys · 24/10/2009 14:12

Idiotic stick weilding peopleare offensive regardless ofwhat theystand for

But I am a bit at thosecomplaining about protestsat bbc beforeqt- OK complain about violenceabsolutely but if you want free speech extendthat to others also

Otherwise you are a fascist

Oh, right. yes.

brightongirldownunder · 24/10/2009 14:21

Ta, ShriekingHarpy!

Well I was a fairly offensive student stick wielder ( I even wore dungarees and purple DM's ) but we never resorted to violence.

There is nothing wrong with demonstrating - this wonderful country of ours gives us the freedom to do so. However there is absolutely no justification for preaching hatred towards others, be it women/sexuality/race/religion.

BobbingForPeachys · 24/10/2009 14:24

In fairness BGDU stick weilder does bring up images of violence, real or threatened.

But absolutely I agree the right to protest- essential and under used IMO.