to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

Sorry, am rubbish at links. It's a comment piece by Antonia Senior in today's Times; I just thought it was interesting.

Very interesting post, Onager. Certainly no party can be all things to all people and voters have to vote for the party/person who feels the same way about most things (or at least the most important things). I'm not sure that that argument can really apply to the BNP though tbh ... Someone up above said that UKIP's policies were essentially the same as the BNP's but without the racist crap. I'm not sure if that is true or not but I do think that a non-racist could find alternatives to support. Racism does seem rather all pervasive in the BNP and I find it hard to believe that a true non-racist could stomach voting for the BNP.

Not read all of the thread, will do so after. Just wanted to comment on the list of BNP members.
My brothers place of work (which is also his home) is on that list because the previous manager was a BNP member. My brother found out because a facebook group was set up to boycott his business. He contacted the group and said that the business was under new management and he didn't vote BNP and the BNP was in no way affiliated with him, but they were rude and just said "yeah... so?".
He then contacted the BNP asking to be removed from the members list because he wasn't a member. They still haven't removed him and people are still avoiding his business.
He's lucky that is all people are doing. Imagine if some vigilante got it into their heads to, say, smash his windows, or send threatening letters.
This list does more harm than good IMO as I bet that isn't the only mistake made.

I am sorry I have had no time to read the whole thread but I would like to give some opinion to the OP.

I live in an area where the BNP like to think they have a hope (I am hoping to leave said area soon). THe stuff they put through the letter box is very middle of the road stuff and relies on playing up to fears and frustrations that many people have. It is not until you look into the party further that you see the other utter tripe they base their sham of a political party upon.

How many people really look into things further when faced with total dissalusionment with mainstream parties? I thin there is a degree of protest voting here and as sickened as that makes me I am also loathed to tar everyone with the same brush that clearly needs to be shoved up the orifice that NG clearly talks out of.

sorry about my typos

I scanned this thread earlier and was appauld at the attitude that the 'british white guy' sat around smoking dope all day and didn't want to do the low paid jobs. That may apply to a small minority but to generalise is frankly .

Some posters also asked if there was evidence of jobs being offered to eastern europeans over british worker, well yes I've seen it as I used to work in the hospitality industry. e.g the immigrant workers don't ask for time off to spend it with there families on traditional holidays. No because they are young and don't have families yet!

When I worked in hospitality the young eastern europeans who didn't have children were telling my employers that they would work over christmas and do my skilled job for less than my wage as they were studying and could take over my job soon anyway. Make of that what you will.

I blame the media. There was an item on PM a few evenings ago about the postal strike; how an Eastern European was happy to have a job, and wasn't bothered by breaking a strike (although not sure he was actually breaking a strike?)

Whatever one's thoughts on breaking a strike, the postal strike or Eastern Europeans/immigration, it was very emotive, and didn't compare, for instance, the number of British workers who were also working at the postal distribution center.

I think it's legitimate to address people's underlying fears which make them think the BNP deserves a vote. A lot of people have legitimate concerns about resources and how they are being allocated. That's legitimate. But instead of a debate about the NHS, housing etc, it gets reduced to, 'oh, well, the (name race) got to the front of the queue before (name family relative)

Let's talk about immigration, but let's also talk about emigration and how many people are leaving the country. Let's talk about quotas and whether it would work in an EU country.

But let's keep it a color blind debate based on the issues, rather than the race.

And that's why the BNP is a racist party. The whole purpose of the party is based on race.

ha ha at an Eastern European happy to break a strike in the UK.....he clearly hasn't heard of Solidarity......you don't break a strike....whoever or wherever you are..

support to the postal workers..!!

custy;

i had to go yesterday...wasn't avoiding you..

(what's wiv all the innit talk..?)

maybe you could answer the question now?

I have a question apart from imigration and keeping everything to the english people what else do they stand for? or what do they want? If they get inot power what would they bring?

I ask this as a genuine question becausei do not know.

I remember my parents saying how bad there were and that they are not a good party and apart from an ex saying she was going to vote for them this was a few months back(and then us finishing, btw gay relationship, which I think they also hate so didnt make sense to me at all).

I just dont know how they can hate a whole group of people.

Sprogger, without going into too much detail, the hospitality establishment where I used to work, were cutting hours for some and had a foreign worker doing part of the job that I had previously done, her waters broke whilst she was working!

The manager of that business had a policy to employ foreign workers over british applicants as they didn't moan about working long hours.

Just passing on my personal experience. I have absolutely nothing against anyone coming into the country to work but I would never work in hospitality again because of this. I'm not sure if this happens in other industries, perhaps manufacturing and construction.

ok, listen to me properly please....try and understand what i'm saying....

i will keep this as short as possible...(really don't like boring people)

i am from a white immigrant working class family, (my parents have suffered from rascism btw) they're quite political, full on labour supporters...believe in union power etc, and that has influenced me...

however,

imo labour have seriously fucked this country up..i thought Margaret Thatcher was a hard act to follow....but jesus christ new labour have pulled it off.....which is why i've turned to the BNP..

i want to know, that if any of my children need a council house they..(as UK born citizens) will get one before a family of Samalians who have only been in the country 5 minutes......i don't care if you're black asian or white...if you were born here you come first....immigrants will cross all of europe to get here, because we are a soft touch...that is a fact..

i also don't get why this government keeps letting immigrants in when we already have millions unemployed and waiting for housing......i just don't understand it..?

the BNP will force the main parties to sort their act out...put British people first...that's all i want...i don't want to kill anyone....

But you've just said you're from an immigrant family. Your position makes no sense at all. By BNP standards, you aren't British either. Unless skin colour really is the criterion, and it's OK because you're from white immigrant stock from than Somalia....

and presumably the somalian children who these immigrants have after they get here are "UK born citizens" just the same as your children? So what difference does it make? The children are entitled to a council house but their parents aren't? Who are they going to live in this council house with then?

And what do you think about the BNP MEP who said rape causes a woman less inconvenience than having her handbag stolen? Could you explain your views on that please?

I really don't understand how you reconcile Catholicism with the bigotry of the BNP.

things were differnt in the 50's when my parents came over...the country wasn't so crowded....

Things weren't that different daftpunk. Some said exactly the same things about Irish immigrants as you're saying now for instance.

The whole world has more people in it than it did in the 1950s, so that doesn't really wash.

Please answer my questions.

Or if you are unable to, at least engage your brain and think about them, for pity's sake woman.

Do you have daughters? Aren't you ashamed to raise them to think it's OK for a woman to support a party that thinks sexual violence is a minor inconvenience? Or perhaps you already think sexual violence is normal? I assure you it isn't.

DP - the problem is that you are planning to vote through anger, which is understandable - there aren't many people who haven't been pissed off by the current government. However to vote for an extremist party who entertain angry bigoted people and invite rallies of rednecks to demonstrate is not the way to sort this country out. I'm an immigrant now - living in Oz and I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to listen to Griffin and his cronies demand that I be repatriated because I wasn't right for the country. No-one deserves to be treated like that. There are other parties out there you can vote for if you honestly believe immigration is out of control, but I beg you, please think twice before supporting this neo-nazi scumbag.

Exactly PeterAndre. Some guest houses had signs saying "no irish no dogs". How do you suppose that made your parents feel? Do you really want to contribute to another group of people feeling the same way?

georgimama;

yes i have daughters....and i am doing this for them....as i said, if they need housing i want them to be housed before immigrants..

the signs were actually "no blacks or irish"

DP - "I don't want to kill anyone"
Seriously - by voting BNP you could have blood on your hands...skinheads aren't pussycats you know, they're vicious brutal thugs who have every intention of inciting as much violence as possible.