to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

dp please answer the question.

who is doing the two fingers?

what at? specifically?

no the chatting isn't ok - it is a passive aggressive technique used ( as per drizzle cake) to avooid a question. specifically when you have failed to answer a question fully and then accuse others in their failure of political knowledge.

It seems quite clear to me that you lack the facts to back up your racism.

and laughably, you won't even google to make some up.

you simply ignore or change subject becuase you know that there is nothing that can be defended or explained.

DP - yes, its shameful that all 'Christians' didn't tell Hitler where to go.

At least Christians now are objecting to the BNP claiming to want a 'Christian' country .

As a Christian, I would hope my vociferous obejections to the BNP were well known. And if they're not, they are now.

The BNP website is claiming a 30% increase in membership interest, though. Sickening.

Let's hope it's just a huge hike in hits on their website from people wanting to check their facts before engaging in a discussion with their supporters.

custy.....that's the thing.....i could google info all day and come back with posts as long as your arm.....but that's not my style....everything i write comes straight out of my head...i don't need google..

dp: I think you might have your head and your arse confused.

and only a leftie could say someone was being passive aggressive about a lemon drizzle cake..

ROFL at that, DP. Would definitely be quote of the week if it wasn't so sad.

its clear it comes out of your head dp

so DP explain the two fingers thing - from your head.

good post riven

My comment was in response to DP's of 13.51 but it could equally be re the 13.53 one.

DP, you obviously don't know what passive aggressive means ... I would suggest googling but I know that seeking information on things you don't know anything about is not your style.

Actually I agree with SG and others on sharia law - it has the potential to discriminate against women in ways that would not be tolerated in the ordinary UK courts. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of it being co-opted by the UK legal system. Women who are already in oppressive relationships, and who might have limited agency, can be very ill-served by it.

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on sharia law

I'm always glad to see people with different views posting.

I don't know anyone in RL who votes BNP (or at least I don't know anyone who admits to doing so) - but I can see that the BNP is currently a growing force in UK politics. I think it is important that we (i.e non-BNP supporters) listen to the reasons why some people see the BNP as a solution to their problems. Many BNP supporters already perceive themslves to be some sort of victims - simply denouncing them as racists isn't going to change that perception. Listening to what they have to say and discussing their concerns rationally might just do.

Actually I think the drizzle cake is just part of DPs 'stream of consciousness' style of posting ... if you know what I mean... I wouldn't get hung up on it.

Going back a moment to the thing about the BNP saying they want a Christian country (with lovely little details like a daily Christian assembly in all schools ) ... does anyone know if he ever actually darkens the door of a church? If so what denomination and what does his vicar/priest/pastor think?

i don't know enough about sharia law to comment on whether it is oppressive.

i think what needed clarity is whether it is currently a law that we have to accept as non muslim british citizens, which i think is what is being mixed up - deliberatley or from top o' th'ead.

chickadee 12.49 "The fact that we now have to accept parts of Sharia law as OUR law..."

Riven, I agree with all of that. But at least in English law, everyone is equal under the law - it's one of the first principles. That's not the case in sharia law as it is administered here. Did you read the Y A-B piece? It's v interesting I think.

It's hard to discuss concerns rationally if they are based on sensationalised versions of the truth, for example the Sharia law discussion.

The BNP friendly version has the big bad Muslims taking over UK law by stealth. Trying to explain that the UK isn't going to become an Islamic state doesn't get very far, because to their minds this is 'just the thin end of the wedge'.

The other problem with trying to discuss things like this is having anything you say thrown back at you as being 'whining leftie liberal nonsense'.

But it doesn't cost a woman more to take a case to court under British law than it does a man - unlike under Sharia law. (Divorce costs a woman £250, a man £100). Nor is a woman's testimony worth only half of a man's testimony.

i@m not worried about Sharia law taking over the UK. But I am worried about two legal systems potentially operating in parallel.

scarletlilybug - i do agree with what you have said, but its very difficult to engage in a discussion with someone who uses vague analogies and refuses to explain her ideologies beyond statements something like like "did you not see NG on QT last night?" which is hardly an all encomassing response

The other thing is no matter how many moderate Muslims there are, the likes of these:

i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01503/protest_1503869c.jpg

will always play into the hands of the BNP.