to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

[MrJustAbout]

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

Sharia law is definitely being used in the UK.

Have a look at www.islamic-sharia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=31

note the fees - £150 for men, £300 for women There are dozens of such 'courts', which legally have the status of 'arbitrators' and their decisions can be enforced by the courts.

Thats a long way from 'we now have to accept parts of Sharia law as OUR law'

being British means you live within UK laws and traditions...you don't live here and stick two fingers up to us.....didn't you listen to NG last night..?

Some Guy

From their website:

The Council conducts Islamic divorces only: it does not conduct cases as part of the UK legal or judicial systems: for advice regarding a civil divorce, please consult a qualified, legal representative.

sticking two fingers up?

what does that mean specifically - who is british and who isn't
who is sticking up of the fingers.

c'mon specifics not euphamisms

custy...go and make a lemon drizzle cake or something....come back to me when you know your politics...

if i wanted my marriage annulled by the catholic church - it being religous and everything ( see the similarity) i would go to a catholic church.

it would charge for the process unless i was broke.

that doesn't mean that catholics are taking over the world with its ideology and forcing it down peoples throats and changing the british system of law

geddit

DaftPunk 'being British means you live within UK laws and traditions'.

I thought UK laws and traditions included tolerance, and freedom to live without fear of being attacked for being the wrong colour or religion.

It's the BNP and their ilk who 'stick two fingers up' to UK laws and traditions. Or perhaps 'true' Brits can pick and choose which laws and traditions to follow?

DP: "being British means you live within UK laws and traditions"

Under that definition, for considerable periods of the last few hundred years, that would have rendered Catholics non-British.

dp, please answer the question.

ps. i can't cook very well. be clear about what you are trying to personally infer if you don't know me darling.

custy; did you know there were millions of catholics in the German Army....all fighting for Hitler

Sharia law is already currently part of our legal system.

"Islamic law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims"

Link

The system doesn't mean that UK laws are being changed - bhut it does mean that a parallel legal system is being developed.

whats that got to do with the price of eggs?

Millions of protestants too - so what?

DP did you know that sound travells further when its cold

....not sure what your point is dp - is this just an impromptu game of trivial persuits?

so answer the question DP

who is the they that sticks two fingers up

what are they sticking two fingers up at specifically?

Daftpunk, I notice you only started posting regarding Nick Griffin on QT.

So far, you've attacked everyone else's ignorance while refusing to give evidence to back up the few replies which you've given to our questions and studiously avoided answering the rest.

Either answer the questions, or accept that others don't want to be swayed by empty rhetoric.

daftpunk: why don't you vote for UKIP, whose actual policies are pretty much indistinguishable from the BNP, except that their leaders aren't a bunch of anti-semites and racists?

The BNP aren't interested in politics, the only thing that motivates them is visceral hatred for other races. Their 'policies' are just a facade. There are groups working on immigration in a rational way, take a look at www.migrationwatchuk.org/faq.php for instance. The BNP stand for nothing other than hate, and voting for them while knowing this is worse than stupid.

From the same article:

Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.

Both the Jewish and Muslim courts operate under the umbrella of British Law. They are not being forced on the whole population on a one-size-fits-all basis.

just chatting with you custy...you know...passing a bit of time...is that ok..?

it's interesting though, because if every catholic had told Hitler where to go .. there wouldn't have been a war...

the Jehovah's told him to poke it....

say what you like about Jehovah witness's...they refused to obey Hitler.

In the eastern European regions, millions of Poles -Jews and Catholics alike - were murdered by the SS and police personnel in the field or in killing centers such as Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka. In the ideology of the Nazis, the Poles were considered an inferior "race."

With the exception of the Jehovah's Witnesses, religous affiliation was not recorded. As a result it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to reliably estimate the total number of Catholic victims who were persecuted or killed because of some action or position connected to their Catholic faith. Some data exists regarding the number of Catholic prisoners (especially members of the clergy) in individual camps.

2579 priests in dachau alone - go google

That link to the Times piece on Sharia courts clarifies the application of existing laws to them:

Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

Nothing is being imposed on anyone (though I do hope there are safeguards against a woman being coerced to 'agree'.) I think there have long been similar Jewish arbitration tribunals - its nothing new and sinister.

'being British means you live within UK laws and traditions...you don't live here and stick two fingers up to us.....didn't you listen to NG last night..?'

Ha ha ha!! So all those people in prison are not British? Who's sticking two fingers up at anyone (sorry, I did do that to NG last night!!)

That means I am not British, despite my certificate of naturalisation?

That's the worst definition I have heard in a long time. And you're wrong, NG defines it as being 'indigenous'... right!!! So how about when Britain rampaged through the indigenous populations of Australia, North America?? Indigenous didn't have any meaning then? So who exactly is driving these so called 'indigenous British people' away from Britain?

Or didn't you listen to the other panellists at all?

Well, let's all follow in the footsteps of the Jehovah's Witnesses and tell Mr Griffin and his ilk where to go.

Oh no, if we do that, we're inhibiting his right to free speech.