to be annoyed by a party talking about mending the society they broke?

[tatt]

without any apparent recognition that it was their revered leader (Thatcher for anyone too young to remember) who was a major cause of the breakdown? I know it's an improvement on there is no such thing as society but it still annoys me.

Pardon my higerance, but what is PPE, that you can get a degree in?

Yes hully you are right

I wouldn't like to say my dad is thick

the jury is out on the other bit tho

PPE = politics, philosophy and economics.

Useless. Nothing at all there about putting up shelves.

Or changing tyres in the rain.

hullygully, there are other reasons to vote Tory, I've even done it myself and I could be accurately described as Old Labour. In my home town, Labour were safe and bloody lazy with it. So safe, that the saying was that they could put a red rosette on a monkey and it would get in. (My mother muttered that was the case with the incumbant ...). I considered my vote to be my only way to buck up their ideas.

I think voting tory is fundamentally immoral.

If you believe in democracy then you vote for the best thing for the majority, not just for yourself. That's where toryism falls down.

Whereyou left - so you voted Tory to put the wind up Labour. And that was bright?

if you believe in democracy you wish there was more choice than "crap and right-wing" and "unknown and right-wing". It makes me want to up sticks and leave.

To my eternal shame I once had sex with a Tory. I have never stooped so low as to vote for them, mind.

I don't believe in voting for the opposition to teach a party a lesson. I believe the person I vote for should deserve my vote and reflect my personal politics. We need a 'none of the above' option on voting slips. That would be the 'teaching them a lesson' option.

hullygully - that was Paisley.

I am one of those people that often doesn't vote - shocker! My brother believes I should be stoned... I am not going to give my vote to someone who doesn't deserve it, this is what makes me sad about politics - like sticklittlefingers

curiositykilled - I used to count the votes at elections. It might not be printed on the form, but every election you could guarantee a handful would draw a line under the candidates names, write 'None of the above' under the line and place their cross against it. It used to cheer me enormously .

PMSL @ Pikelit! You had sex with a Tory?! I thought they were all like 'Ken' dolls!

Yes, vote RON.

whereyouleftit - yes, I can believe that - that's what my bro says I should do. TBH unless it is going to be counted I'm not going to traipse off down to the polling station to do it children in tow. He is a student and has lots of time.

Cameron is a former policywonk who wrote the garbage that the last Tory administration were churning out. At best he's changed the tune slightly to bring it more in line with the current mood. It doesn't look like much of a change tho - focussing on IB "cheats" and raising the retirement age doesn't make us "all in this together", it means that the rich just carry on as usual while pretending it's all the poor's fault for not working at all or hard enough. It makes me sick.

William Hague doesn't look like Ken

Pikelit - you must have been his secretary then

"Ask yourself why big businesses do not pay you enough money for a 40 hour week, why your husband can't support his family on one wage without you having to put your hand out."

Perhaps because they are run by Conservatives?

So you vote Tory to put the wind up Labour, Tories get a lovely four years to stuff the poor and feather their nests...and you say, well, that'll learn Labour. Bright AND effective.

Bankers vote Tory

tatt, mate of mine was Heseltine's junior secretary - not civil service, his own office. When he was writing his autobiography she used to have to stay till gone 11, then get the tube and train home from central London to Luton. And he's a millionaire, I'm sure he could have run to a cab.

Erm, I work for an investment bank and I vote Labour. So neh.

Yeah, but you're the cleaner, innit?

hullygully, as I said, this was Paisley. Tories rarer than a dragon's fart. No chance of electoral victory. BUT, when you have effectively a one-party state, so safe was the seat (and all council seats) there is no debate. No honing of an idea because no-one argues against it, because there is no opposition, just rubber-stamping. Rubber-stamping of lazy thinking, because it had never been put under any scrutiny. Not a lot of difference between a seat that hasn't changed party for decades and the Rotten Boroughs of old. But if you want to vote for "my party right or wrong", go ahead. I'd rather hold them accountable for what they'd already done, they did not deserve my vote that election.