to be annoyed by a party talking about mending the society they broke?

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without any apparent recognition that it was their revered leader (Thatcher for anyone too young to remember) who was a major cause of the breakdown? I know it's an improvement on there is no such thing as society but it still annoys me.

Where, t'was also then that traditional working class jobs were deliberately taken out of the economy, leaving people on the scrap heap.

I second hullygully's post but would add that they are cockjugglers as well. If much more of David Cameron is smarmed all over my television I shall be forced to get in bumper supplies of wet fish.

Did Skihorse call Gordon a -* Scottish twat?

And did someone really call for the Tories to be beheaded?

I so need to reinstate DS's nap and get on here during the day.

I'm with beheading the Tories btw. Or something similar.

The filter wouldn't let me type the correct number of asterisks, how odd.

Yes edam - my father and 5,000 other men in my home town amongst them. After 18 months on the dole, my parents emigrated so that my dad could rejoin the working working class. It's not every 19 year old whose parents move out from them rather than the more usual you moving out from them. It happened to so many families in our town, the council set up a special rule to allow the transfer of council houses to the resident children - normally, transfer of tenancy only happened on death of the parents.

Ou est le guillotine quand on a beaucoup besoin de fair la capitation?

If le guillotine is coming out then they all have to go including I'm too good not to obey the law Harman and all those caught with their hands in the till.

• I'm too good (sorry too busy eating cake whilst typing which is basically what this shower of shite has said),

When I was a kid it took me a while to realise that Torybastards wasn't the official title of the party, or that a fake spit after the a venomous "THATCHER" wasn't part of her name...

I was slightly impressed (and, TBH, shocked) to find out that Gordon Brown was the first ever British Prime Minister with a degree to have not gone to Oxbridge. It says a lot about this country. At the time of Obama's election, it was discussed the likelihood of someone like him, with his background, being elected Prime Minister. The likelihood was very low, which is terrible.

I also think the ridiculous first past the post rule should be abolished. It is barking. Even when they set up the devolved parliaments they went for a more proportional representation approach to voting - which I think tells you something.

Thatcher is gone.
Do we have to judge all parties on previous leaders? Can they not learn from past mistakes?
What about the three day weeks and awful power cuts of the 70's (I remember them). Wilson and Callaghan?

twirlymum, as pointed out by GhostWriter, the current leaders were attracted to their parties when these previous leaders were in charge. So maybe past leaders are relevant. I wish they would learn from past mistakes, but I've seen no evidence of this ever happening. Thatcher was indeed only possible due to the industrial unrest of the 70s. Which I also remember. Scheduled powercuts, bread shortages, sugar shortages, uncollected rubbish. (And 200W hairdryers so that yes, you couldn't come out because you were drying your hair - all night.)

Oh FFS. The Tories are planning on abolishing the Human Rights Act?! Prior to the Act coming into force, the UK was one of the most frequent countries to act as defendant at the European Court of Human Rights, for breaches in relation to privacy and treatment of prisoners (particularly Northern Irish Terrorist suspects). I know that people discredit it (mostly because of idiots trying to interpret law they don't understand, and saying that people under arrest have a right to KFC and so on), but it is a hell of a lot better than what was around before (nothing) and they haven't said what they'd replace it with. IDIOTS.

WhereYouLeftIt at crappy hairdryers

Yay! A good bit of Thatcher-bashing! I blame Thatcher for most things...

The uselessness of Caerphilly cheese...
The popularity of Ugg boots...
The 'credit crunch'...
The rise in hospital superbugs...
The suicide rate in Bridgend...

Virtually everything bad can be blamed on Thatcher in some way my head.

David Cameron is naive and idealistic and wholly unrepresentative/not in control of the Tory party. He may well be a moral man, though a little thick, but the reality of the Tory party is the duckhouse-buying, massive country pile expense-claiming, monocle wearing majority.

If Nick Clegg were not such a 'grey man' he'd have a hope but I really am unsure what will happen at the next election!

I'm not bowled over by Gordon Brown but the lovely onebat put it better than I ever could on a recent Twitter she did

something like (omits all intelligent words due to diminished brain power) the worst version of your best thing is better than the best version of your worst thing

my biggest worry is that pissed-off Labour voters will vote green or lib dem or something and the Tories will get in just because the vote was all split

that's what happened in my area last election, I live in a marginal constituency which up to then had a really good Labour MP - lots of people voted for non-Labour left wing parties and then blam! we got a Tory MP who I've barely heard a peep from

I really fear that lots of people will vote BNP, especially given the negative views that most people have about labour and the tories.

"I wish they would learn from past mistakes, but I've seen no evidence of this ever happening."

Well I was going to suggest that "David Cameron a twit with a 2.1 in History" (to quote MillyMollyMoo) might not be such a bad bet. Except that I checked my facts before I posted and he actually got a First in PPE!

oh god I had an Oxbridge boyfriend when I was at college who was doing a PPE degree; that's not a good sign. (I do love to tar people with the same brush.)

All male PPE graduates should be shot (waves hand)

apart from any stray mners dh's (hides under desk)

This is the ESSENTIAL thing to remember:

There are only three reasons to vote Tory: you're thick, you're greedy, or both.

The problem with Brown is he's leading on Blair policies which he doesn't agree with and he has no charisma. He's not a terrible politician in my book but he's not a very good leader either. The transition from the overly-charismatic Blair to the Dour Scot has been hard to ingest for the general public and I am unsure of his personal direction.

Blair labour policy has been traditionally based on something called the 'third way' the tories on 'new right'. For me that says it all. I think Gordon Brown's labour is third way but am unsure. For me the Lib dems satisfy more thoroughly my socialist leanings.

As for the modern leanings towards privately educated politicians... The best modern politician in my mind was Nye Bevan, true working class hero! I think life experience is the best qualification for a politician, you can have that in private school or never having gone to school, I think it's important to have a good mix.

hullygully I don't think that Tory voters are that simple

however I do believe they are more consistent, and this is where the Labour gvt are screwed

You may find Labour voters getting annoyed that Labour isn't doing enough and going off and intellectually researching other parties like the Lib Dems and the Greens

However even if a Tory govt cocked up up completely, Tory voters would just blame the feckless unemployed or Labour councils or immigrants and continue to vote Tory

This is entirely from my experience with my own father, but that's about as representative a sample as I get given the circles I move in

I agree Capp, but doesn't change my essential premise.

In fact, I think it proves it. "Tory voters would just..."