To expect someone not to let their three dogs jump all over me

[8oreighty]

and "playbite" my arms?!!! I was on a rural path...fair enough, but I think people should control their dogs...I got muddy footprints all over me. It is also kind of scary if you don't know the dogs. There were two women with 3 dogs, not even an apology. Even when I said angrily, "please can you get your dogs off me". That's just not on - is it?

Here I am back, even though I said I was going .....

I would very very rarely push a person. Why would I need to? - the person can talk, I can reason with them.

I can't reason with a dog. A dog doesn't know the personal history that makes my whole family (including extended family) really really nervous around dogs. So I have to use "language" a dog understands.

So I would use a stern voice first - go away. or leave, or no!, or something like that.

If a dog continued to be in contact with my family, I would then gently push them away with my foot (cos it seems at less risk then my hand). If this didn't work, as well as yelling for help and trying to locate the owner, I would kick out.

This is simple self- or child-defence.

If any dog owner has better advice about how to deal with it - which does NOT include letting the dog lick us, jump at us, try to snuggle in to us, or any any way be in close contact with us, then I would be delighted to hear it. But I doubt that there is a better way.

exactly a dog jumps up, person pushes, dog bites humph!
and the poor dog gets the blame.

It IS okay to hit a dog that is attacking you, and by attack I mean coming within your personal space and making physical contact. It is threatening behaviour. It promotes a feeling of anxiety and it IS okay to do whatever is necessary to stop it.

It would be preferable to hit the owner, but the owner is rarely within reach.

Moonlight - you are wrong and would end up in the police station when actually the owner should be controlling the dog, you have the moral high ground unless you strike out.

"exactly a dog jumps up, person pushes, dog bites humph!
and the poor dog gets the blame. "

Of course the dog gets the blame, and the owner. Why wouldn't they? If your dog jumps on me I will push it off, obviously! Are you saying it is then expected to bite me, that its a reasonable thing to happen?
Madness.

thesunshines The do SHOULD get the blame for biting - absolutely, - but it should not be allowed to engage in behaviour that promotes an anxious reaction in a human i.e. jumping up at them.

sunshine - don't you accept that the dog should not jump up?

Many many people see this as an attack.

Why should they not push the dog away. It can be really frightening for some people!

I don't want the moral high ground. I want the bloody dog off me. And there is no court in this land that would prosecute for hurting a dog that was threatening.

My cousin's ds has an allergy to dogs that can be fatal. He should be able to go about his life without the risk of a dog entering his personal space.

You reckon ? Reasonable force is the key word here and reacting to a lick with a kick is not acceptable.

no it shouldnt jump up, blah blah ive said it time and time again on here but i dont belive you should hit the dog, what exactly are you teaching your children, a dog comes over to you and you hit it, okaaay.

if the dog bites your child then you take action obviously anyone would.

My son doesn't know when a dog approaches him with its mouth open whether he is going to be licked or dangerously bitten.

It would be unreasonable to react to a human licking you with a kick.

DOGS ARE NOT HUMAN. They are animals and should be totally under the control of their owners, or should not be out off the lead. Ever. At All.

I will not wait until the dog bites my child to "take action"

I will take whatever action is necessary to stop my child ever being bitten!!

A dog jumping up may bite my child.

I will not wait until the bite happens to see if the dog is dangerous.

Any dog making contact with my children is potentially dangerous!

reasonable would be to keep your dog away from people that don't like or want dogs jumping up at them.

Dog owners aren't mind reader so best to just keep your dog away from other people unless they enquire or make the first move and ask for the dog to jump all over them or lick them.

Then you don't go around upsetting or harming other people.

Most dog owners do this and keep there dogs with them or can control there dogs.

if a dog is just being curious and not aggressive, do not acknowledge at all ignore it and it will ignore you. aggressive dogs are different, and if known about the owners need to take a firmer line with them, kept on a lead etc.

It's not about reasonable force (that is the law wrt to humans not dogs), it is about protecting yourself from a threat.

If I had my way, any dog who licked me would be removed from the ownder and the owners licence confiscated.

Does anyone with dogs feel that my cousin's son should be kept indoors for the rest of his life?

why are you saying "don't i accept that a dog shouldnt jump".

start of thread people talking bout hitting and killing dogs. this is my problem.

i will say it again i regret you keep saying things i havent said.

and face it weegie you started on me cause i have a collie, very shallow.

But after what happened to my son (don't know if you have read the thread - he was bitten on the shoulder and had a ripped shoulder artery and some potential nerve damage which was sorted by post bite surgery - after being bitten by a dog whose owners said their "perfect" dog would never have done such a thing) I can't even let a "curious" dog near him, He's phobic - very very seriously phobic and we are working on it!!!

So as far as I am concerned, no dog owner should even let their dog be curious round my son. Dogs should be trained to stay away from everyone they don't know. Or they should be on a lead!

barnpot - thats not true I was stood talking to a friend I had met and all of a sudden I had a dog jumping up at my thighs - I had not acknowledge the dog at all - but I still ended up with dirty paw marks all over the thighs of my trousers.

Lucky for me I had finished work so could go home - the owner never said a word, my friend had a bit of a go at her for allowing the dog to jump up.

Owners licence confiscated? which countries do you need a licence to have a dog?

I haven't "started on you" at all sunshine.

Any negative comments are based on the fact that you are convinced that your dog could never, ever under any circumstances ever bother anyone.

And thats just unrealistic!

If a big slobbering dog is jumping on you with its mouth open and its big teeth in your face, how the hell do you know if its going to lick you or savage half your face off?

I had a massive dog jump on me at the beach and knock me to the ground, drooling all over me, I was bloody terrified and flayling and kicking out, it was as heavy as me and I thought it was dangerous. The owner runs over and starts shouting at me for hurting her dog! FFS, I wasn't going to stop and ask if it was friendly or a killer was I?

I suppose I should have been arrested though for cruelty to the bloody animal?

havent got time for arguing and having to repeat myslef over and over again, i have a dog to walk.