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Another MIL story...

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AJ123 · 19/09/2009 10:04

I don't know what to do...I am at my wit's end!! My 1st child dd is not even 7 weeks old yet and I have spent most of her little life arguing with dh over in laws. I've tried as much as I can to ignore the situation, and of course I've enjoyed her but it's coming to a point where neither of us can stand it anymore!

I have never had a good relationship with MIL. Not from want of trying on my part, and tbh i think she took an instant dislike to me (she also continually mentioned his ex not very tactful!)- we're far too different people but grated along because we both loved her ds/my dh. Anyway, after a while this culminated in her being drunk in her local and shouting in a pub at my much younger brother how she was going to hit him because 'yuk' he was related to me, her ds could do so much better etc etc.

This caused huge ructions, but eventually, I accepted that I had to partly forgive her and try and get on with things. I was still not fully accepted and relations were strained but we muddled along.

6 months later, I found out I was pregnant. My DH was happy but immediately demanded that his mother would be allowed to see the baby as much as mine, divided child care etc etc. Funnily enough my MIL was not my first thought!

We told his mother sooner than I'd have liked (after I found out that one of his mother's friends had found out via my pharmacist(!!!!!) and had told her children (one of whom was dh's ex) and they were taking it upon themselves to announce it to people ). She was overexcited.

Apparently all she'd ever wanted to be was a grandma. She was in my face 'dn't cut me out, don't cut me out' gave me presents etc. It was so wrong. I could understand that she was happy, but to force a relationship with me only to get to her GC I feel was wrong. I would have respected her more if she stuck to her guns, I would never have stopped her seeing her GC. Anyway, the undercurrent of dislike was still there. I had previously suffered from bulimia, and at a family dinner to celebrate our news, she read out a text from a friend to everyone saying 'oh congrats on becoming a gran. At least she'll have a reason to be sick now'... I couldn't believe my ears!

My pregnancy continued. She continued to make it about herself. She wanted to put pics of my Scan on her facebook. She wanted to be in at the birth, (my FIL offered to film it!). She bought us a fetal heart monitor but insisted that she listen to the baby first (before even us!) so the gift was evidently for herself not us. She wanted to buy a baby box, which was sweet, and she asked me to choose. So I did. She bought a different one, that she liked! Her house was filled with her own pram, her own crib etc...

Fast forward to the wonderful day my DD was born. They came to hospital. My MIL just got my FIL to take pics of her posing with DD. None of DD with her DS, none of DD on her own, none of DD with FIL (believe me I was not in any state to want to be photographed anyway!!) She then announced the birth of my daughter on Facebook before we got to tell our friends, and put up all of her pics of herself with DD on the same site.

The photoshoots have continued everytime she sees her.ONly herself with DD and all get put on Facebook. Now call me old-fashioned but I thought Grandparent took photos and put them up in their house, not all over a social networking site where you don't really have control over who is looking at these pics...(she was asked by DH not to after even more pics were taken, but she ignored him)

She wouldn't come around at weekends, because she caravans every fri sat sun mon, so I was asked to endure afternoons with her on my own immediately after DD was born. It was torture. And it was just one battle after another...why wasn't she allowed to have her on her own, why couldn't she take DD out for a walk etc. She is just waiting to have me out of the way!

Finally, we took our DD over to my ILs, when she was 3 weeks old. It was just a quick drop in for cuddles then home to feed her. (not comfortable about BFing at ILs.) MIL asked if she could walk out with DD (not in pram but in her arms) and take her over to the other side of her village to 'show off' to her friends. I said I'd rather she didn't (maybe overprotective but that's my right surely). She sulked, she may as well have stamped her foot. Ten minutes later, my head was turned in conversation with BIL and she ran out of the house with DD anyway!! She hasn't been around since then to see her. I put my foot down and said it was weekends only, when my DH is home, and I don't feel so vulnerable. It has been her choice to sulk at this, and doesn't want to come around when I'm here. (In fact she text my DH and said she wasn't coming round ever again, she knows I don't like her, which to me is just a ruse to get my DH to ship my DD over to her without me - She's too little!!! But my DH agrees with his MIL that I should be out of the way so his Mother can see GD. Who else lets their LOs out of there site at this age? Am I wrong?)

I truly feel that my DD is a trophy to her. There is no kissing of baby or real genuine affection. And she isn't happy just holding her and interacting with her. It has to be about parading her.

It has got to the point where the thought of her holding DD makes me cringe. I truly don't think she's nice woman. She doesn't understand that she can't emulate my closeness with my mother just to have equal access to DD. It's just the way it is! (Before DD was born she said she didn't like girls, and anyway she just KNEW it was a boy and she has already mentioned since we had her that shes sure we'll have a boy...enjoy the GD you have!)

What do I do. This is tearing our relationship apart. On top of everything else I can't trust my DH to support me. I think her walking out of the house with my 3 week old daughter would be enough for anyone, despite everything else? At least it's going to take me a while to trust her with my baby, and I'm not sure that's surprising. My closeness to my mother isn't helping the situation as DH sees this and resents that his mother can't have the same. I wouldn't let someone I think is essentially nasty, manipulative etc etc have sole charge of the thing that is most precious to me in all the world....even if she is my MIL.

So....after this long post, am I being unreasonable?!

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AJ123 · 23/09/2009 11:31

OK - wasn't sure where to post this but it's an addition to the story...

On my MIL's facebook page, there are several (10) posts from her friends, thanking her, DH and DD for the thank you cards sent to them (no mention of me) and condolences about me not letting her see DD, wishing her well, thinking of her etc....

Aaarrrggghh!! The thing is I asked DH where the thank you cards we had made up had disappeared to, and he made up something i can't remember, didn't seem important at the time. However, now I know he gave them to his Mum to write - on our behalf! to the people she knew - and you can bet your bottom dollar she didn't put my name.

How do I stop this making me so angry??!

DH update - no contact for 24 hours.

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ILoveStripeySocks · 23/09/2009 11:34

I really feel for you :9 Your DH is not being supportive of you at all. It was very wrong of him to give those thank you cards to his mum, he knew exactly why she wanted them, and he would know that they were supposed to come from the two of you! And then he lied about it to you?

I have no pearls of wisdom or advice, but I am glad you have decided on a break to get your thoughts together & see your DP for what he really is.

AJ123 · 23/09/2009 11:50

No, it really has been let's take DD and push DIL/DW out. I don't feel sorry for myself about it, because I know that no one can break the bond between DD and I.

I suppose that I didn't imaging having first LO would be quite like this! I could handle MIL pushing me out but DH? Oh well. It's like they were waiting for DD to be born to just pounce (and I resent it from DH, because he was totally disinterested all pregnancy, quite a common male trait I guess, but then to try and take control afterwards?)

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AJ123 · 23/09/2009 11:51

Er DH has been pretty interfering at points come to think of it - he tried to 'help' me to BF. Crazy! (By the way, there wasn't any difficulty! - I didn't need a lesson from him!)

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ILoveStripeySocks · 23/09/2009 11:54

I dont think your DH has been waiting for you to have your DD then planned on pushing you out - I think he is just too much under his mothers spell!

His mother sounds horrid though, and may have told your DH to "help" you with feeding etc, knowing that to him, she sounds wonderfully helpfull whilst also knowing that it would drive you crazy! very sly!

ItsGrimUpNorth · 23/09/2009 12:02

AJ, I can't believe this is happening to you.

I also can't believe that your DH said this:

"During the conversation last night he also told me he thought I was suffering from PND hence the reason I was acting like this, and that his mother had more right than mine because 'it's her first GC, and your mother already has 3 grandsons, my mother's much more excited..'"

What utter and total bullshit is this he's coming out with? WHY ISN'T HE PUTTING YOU FIRST, HIS BLOODY WIFE WHO HAS JUST HAD A BABY?

He needs to cut the apron strings not least because his mother sounds like a total witch from hell.

They are all mad. Utterly and totally barking mad. You cannot trust any of them. How alone you must feel. You must want to run a mile from all of them for some peace. A truly dreadful situation.

Stand your ground. Be firm, polite and keep that moral high ground. Nobody can take your baby away from you. If your MIL ever walks out with the baby again, you call the police. Give her a real fright and teach her to show you some bloody respect.

I'm so for you. What weird people.

snapple · 23/09/2009 13:29

another mil disaster story.... and with a new born in the pic.

Wow she is toxic!

From the way she is carrying on you would think she is an alien. What is it with these sad creatures.

Set your boundaries and don't budge you have enough to do with work and a new born.

Bucharest · 23/09/2009 13:56

I really really hope these people are reading this thread...(I'm sure they will be, if you told (d)h about it)

Does she not realise how pathetic she seems? I bet her FB friends are laughing at the stupid little woman. I would be. Any chance of a link?

Does she not realise she's now completely lost any chance of ever seeing the baby again? Keep page shots of the FB crap as well. You never know when you might need a restraining order. and too. x

snapple · 23/09/2009 14:07

Good point by bucharest definately keep shots of the FB crap. You might need evidence and it will help you never to forget how spineless the mil is.

don't let her near your dd.

No mention of you on the thank you cards, this kind of stuff is complete rubbish - utter rot.

Stay away from her - as I read on another thread you can't outpsycho and psycho!

snapple · 23/09/2009 14:12

Oops - AJ on your toxic mil I meant to state:

You can't OUT PSYCHO a PSYCHO

What will she do next?

diddl · 23/09/2009 14:22

I thought it couldn´t, but it seems to be getting worse.

I would also be tempted to not let hubby have daughter alone for fear of him taking her to his mothers.

And if I read this right, it was your mothers first granddaughter?

mmrsceptic · 23/09/2009 15:26

you poor old thing

keep talking to your mum, she'll keep your spirits up, you must be emotionally exhausted by this

mmrsceptic · 23/09/2009 15:30

i think it's got to the stage where you need to start writing it all down in a notebook, and if you can't get organised to do it yourself, get your mum to do it

get a decent sized notebook and sit down with your mum and go over it all, dates and everything, and get it written down

use this thread to help remember it all

print off the fb pages

everything, and you'll feel a lot calmer, and don't ever let it into the hands of your dh or mil except to show them in the presence of your mum

joolzr · 23/09/2009 22:14

It seems that things have gotten into a big mess and it might be time to draw a line under what has happened and move on.

Don't get me wrong YANBU, your MIL is bonkers. BTW I think you are doing a great job- there is no way I could have coped without DH when my DD was 7 weeks.

But you need to think about yourself, DD and DH. I don't think 7 weeks is a good time to make permanent decisions about your marrage. OH and I had some storming rows at that stage. (Which usually ended with him saying we should get his parents to come live with us for a few months . I get on okay with MIL but there is no way I want my IL's living with us! You need to decide what you can deal with and try to set up something manageable rather than the current situation which must be horribly stressful.

Perhaps you should set up a schedule where you as IL's to come round and help out a few hours a week. If you've just gone back to work this is the perfect time. And I mean help out- I bet your mum doesn't just swan in and play with the baby. I bet she does chores too. So give them something specific to do- gardening, washing, cooking a meal. I suspect the baby may be less appealing when there is some work to do and not just a photo opportunity. You don't have tell them but make sure it's at a time that someone can be there with you. Make yourself above reproach. If she moans to her pals about this, they'll think she is bonkers/unreasonable. You can also say that you are really upset about having to go back to work, didn't want to and can't bear to be away from DD any more than you have to. That will get you lots of sympathy from the men around you. It sounds like they want to be with you 24/7 at the moment but the novelty may wear off quickly.

Good luck and hang in there.

MumSentMad · 23/09/2009 23:22

hi Aj

a mil thats worse than mine!!

hit her, plain and simple, just slap the bitch, punch as well!!! ok, so not the best thing to do, but it worked for me!!
i am lucky that dh supports me and his children but i have told him of he doesn't he can go live with her again. we have been close to falling apart over her.
this wkend we have the pleasure of her at my youngests 1st bday party............she will be texted to say keep her nasty vile comments to herself.
our main prob is her comments and the fact that she makes no effort with my boys but then comments to my family (who think i should be nice to her) and i get more flack from them, which she knows will happen.
my bro thinks i should let her babysit.........hell would have to be pretty cold before that happens!! my eldest has speech problems so is not easy to understand and she makes no effort to. she has seen my youngest less than 10 times, the 2nd time she ignored him cos dh wasn't there in tesco with me.

anyway, ou are a mother now to a very young baby and she needs her mummy right now. she is old enough to be left for a few hours but no more.
as for splitting up, you are able to draw up a legal case against dh which will stop him taking her to his mums and if he does he doesn't see his dd.
i would start documenting everything just in case
and if she does cut dd's hair without your consent you could get her done for abh oh that would be sooooooooooooo funny!!

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 24/09/2009 08:15

Blimey.... I didn't think it could get any worse.

Hang in there AJ.... x

Bucharest · 24/09/2009 08:57

How are things today AJ?

bumpybumpy · 24/09/2009 09:22

Sorry to hear about all of this. Your focus should be on your lovely new baby, not an unpleasant power struggle.

Now that your baby is nearly two months old is there any chance you can venture out a bit more and join some mums and babies groups/activities in the local area? It would give you a legitimate excuse to be out in the afternoons (don't let ILs know exactly when) and be a bit of 'normal life' for you after being trapped in this nightmare. Also if there is anything on at the weekend for babies which DH can join in with and see other dads attending as a 'family unit' with their wives and learn from their example, it might help put things in perspective for him.

I agree with the other posters that you need some sort of 'paper trail' of what is going on. Perhaps a parenting helpline or a trustworthy HV etc could also take a quick note, so there is a third party record.

AJ123 · 24/09/2009 17:35

Hi everyone.

I'm ok today thank you - DH came round last night to see DD again. We talked of course. He did accept that MIL doesn't treat me with respect (You think?!) but insists it's not intentional. He also suggested that we sat down (MIL, DH and I) and talked things through. He accepted that until I could trust MIL DD won't be going there without me.
He accepts this. I'm just worried that he's ssaying it now, but that he will start getting on his high horse the minute MIL starts complaining to him again...

I like the suggestions of keeping tabs on everything. I was thinking that if I did sit down with her, I'd like to have a list myself, so I don't get emotional and go off track.

I don't know how to trust DH though. I haven't let him home yet. I know he's trying, but I am still really hurt by his actions. I know it sounds really weak, but it made me feel really crap about myself, only because my own DH and father of my child doesn't think I'm important enough to make a fuss over!!

Aarrrggh, anyway, any hints or tips from now? How can he prove himself in a short space of time? How can I get over thinking that he'll still be talking to MIL about me behind my back? I'm even paranoid that when I'm in the bath he'll run over to MIL's with DD.

I know this is all in the extreme, but when the person closest to you breaks your trust, I suppose this is the price they pay.

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AJ123 · 24/09/2009 17:41

MumSentMad - I'm not normally a violent person, but MIL's made me consider it believe me!

How do I stop being so bitter about MIL?! If DH and I give it a go, and get it back on track, she is (very unfortunately) a part of his life. and therefore DD. But I hate her so much right now, I can't see a way forward. More because DH will never see what she is like.

I asked him if he added together the things she had done, that was a way he would let anyone else treat me (I gave examples of friends). He said No. I said so it's no different with MIL. He replied 'but she's my Mum'

All I could hope was that at the sit down discussion she loses her cool and shows her true colours to DH.

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mmrsceptic · 24/09/2009 17:44

I think you need more time on your own, I really do.

You have a tiny baby.. and you're worried your husband will take her out of the house when you are unable to prevent him.

That's awful.

Really, you need peace and calm to look after your baby and you don't need this. You don't even need to have a sit down talk in which you hash it all out: why should you submit to something so profoundly distressing? You should be worrying about sleeping, and feeding, and catching up on naps, and whether or not you've got enough nappies. Not whether your husband and mil are planning things behind your back.

If you agree to that suggestion do not do it on your own ie two against one. Have your mum with you.

mmrsceptic · 24/09/2009 17:45

At this stage, to regain your trust, he needs to agree with every bloody thing you say and do and want. And so does your hideous mil.

mmrsceptic · 24/09/2009 17:50

Plus, you are approaching the time of the first vax, which can be a time of disrupted sleep and routine, some squawking, some worry. Not necessarily, but it can be. You need to focus on your baby. This bitter feeling you have won't go away with a hashing out, it's more likely to get worse. What will happen is, she'll say a lot of old rubbish, and you'll get upset, and then afterwards it will go round and round in your head, and you'll keep thinking of things you should have said, and things your dh should have said, and the injustice of it all. And you'll end up losing even more sleep over it.

2rebecca · 24/09/2009 17:51

I think you need to sit down with him and discuss things and his MIL needs to keep out of it. You and your husband need to sort things out between you before she starts getting involved again. Later if you want a meeting with his MIL I would insist your mum is there too as back up. This shouldn't be a 3 way decision. You and your husband should be deciding what you do about your child. Your MIL isn't a 3rd parent, however much she may regard herself as 1. Until you feel your husband is on your side not his mothers and will defend you and what the 2 of you have decided together I'd avoid any meetings with her.
Scotland is very nice!

ItsGrimUpNorth · 24/09/2009 17:54

But she's his mum?

Does that mean she's allowed to do whatever she likes and he won't do a thing about it?

Oh dear, he sounds like a prize mummy's boy who wouldn't dare ever do anything that contradicted her. He's obviously never grown up. So lame. He needs some cajones and fast! Not much of a man if you ask me.

You're the one that's going to have to be really strong and firm with all of them. Hold firm and don't let anybody give you any crap.

I'm sorry you have no support in RL. I know you must hate your MIL but never let her know that. Always let her be the ranting, seething loony that she is.

The only comfort I can offer you is that your DD is going to be a toddler one day and toddlers are very firm in their preferences. They don't like being suffocated and smothered and nor do older children like seeing mummy being treated badly.

Have you shown him this thread, AJ123?

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