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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 10/08/2009 22:16

oi no flooding thread if you no likey hop along.but imposed censorship sucks

you trot along if you wish but sabotaging a thread is puerile and lacks imagination

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:16

VT - they're one and the same - look a little further down the thread - they "outed" themselves with a wonderful repeated post under the two different names

nybomshusband · 10/08/2009 22:16

Noticed her mistake and posted again in her own name. Da...

Ninkynork · 10/08/2009 22:17

I want to know if pre-cut fruit is going to replace Nice Ham in the next MN montage.

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:18

no sorry - still don't buy that pathetic excuse - you didn't post in between - so hers was the last password to be entered - it would have been the same person who posted last

2shoes · 10/08/2009 22:19

are these threads as boring as the thread title makes me think they are??

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:20

2shoes - yes they are -

end of the last one became quite intersting and light hearted, and interesting, and nice debate - but generally a pile of shite

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:26

at FAQ thinking our intelligent yet witty posts on the last thread were a pile of shite

2shoes · 10/08/2009 22:29

thanks Faq, can't be arsed to trawl through them, but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:31

PMSL - you know that's not what I meant - I meant the rest of the posts were a pile of shite

nybomshusband · 10/08/2009 22:39

faq
Wrong: I posted @ 21.46.11
And then my wife without changing the log in details at 21.50.08
Realised it and posted the same thing under her own name at 21.50.52

Pretty consistent after all...

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:40

Oh God....who cares??

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:42

no pretty shite.

K999 - DH didn't even get past the initial phone call for the letting agent job

nybomshusband · 10/08/2009 22:42

faq does - because he keeps going on about it. I am merely responding.

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:43

Oh bollocks!! Tis a shitty world sometimes. Will keep fingers crossed that something suitable turns up....have you and Magners left? I could murder a drink....

WhatFreshHellIsThis · 10/08/2009 22:45

nybom did you send your son to school a year early in the end?

clemette · 10/08/2009 22:46

I'm sure FAQ is a woman - there's that accuracy thing again...

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:48

"he"

fark me - don't tell DH I've grown meat and 2 veg - he won't be impressed

yeah something will come up - just need to keep plugging.........

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:49
nybom · 10/08/2009 22:52

whatfreshhellisthis no, couldn't be bothered. he's starting this september. (different thread though...?)

OP posts:
clemette · 10/08/2009 22:52

I just had a mini roll.
Even though I am technically unemployed.
In fact - where is the student bashing in all of this? Come September I will get 10% off at Topshop - is this an outrage? Should all of you working attack me because you don't have this privilege?
And the government is paying for my childcare - it's a bloody disgrace you know!!

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:53
FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 22:54

clemette - we had Wall Cornish Icecream with our apple strudle for desert..........its an outrage isn't it

(actually as an aside - it's £3.82 a tub at Morrison - but it's on BOGOF until the 16th - not a bad price for some blardy nice icecream).

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:55

I would love to go on holiday but cant at the mo cos my new plasma arrives tomorrow and my wardrobe full of designer gear arrives soon.....

K999 · 10/08/2009 22:56

I bought a rhubab pie in Asda for 54p!! It was deeeliissshhhhooooussss!! Had loads of cream with it too.

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