to think I was mad for considering this seat when I searched on mumsnet and found this link?

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uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WdBRPiNJC7s

I have a maxi cosi cabrio fix at the moment but thought with our next baby on the way, lay flat would be more healthy??? Perhaps not!

cant view the video as im at work but if it is a carry cot have a look at the Which web site they categorically do not recommend thtem and state they are dangerous.

lay flat are not good in an accident
but are probably better for their backs if you never have one

they aren't illegal as they meet the EU safety standards

but Which? has rated all the lie-flat seats they ever tested as unsafe Don't Buys - every single one, including the M&P Navetta and the Jané one

loads of my friends had them but I kept my mouth shut and used my Cabriofix

God why wouldn't we keep our babies safe, even when they feel like little grown ups! That film was so hard to watch, upset me alot.

Quite right MrsBadger I'll be sticking to my Cabriofix.

Thanks thehairybabysmum

There is no way that seat is installed properly!

Mine all had bog standard infant seats.

It probably wasn't installed correctly but statistics show that so many seats aren't fitted correctly
Lie flat seats never ever come off as well in crash tests as normal rear facing ones even when fitted correctly.
There have been some come off better than others but that is generally when they are fitted in the seated rear facing postion rather than fitted lying flat. And I also read somewhere that one of the reasons they don't is that the mechanisms that allow the back to be moved between sitting and lie flat weaken the seat in that area.

I think there is a recent lie flat that is very good if i recall correctly from Which, but it is mega £££.

right have copied the text from which

Carrycots
Based on past crash-test results, Which? can't recommend carrycots (the Britax Baby Safe Sleeper, a Best Buy, is the only exception). If you already own a carrycot, we suggest you buy an alternative 0+ category child safety seat for use in the car. But if you have a carrycot and there?s nothing else you can use, it?s better than nothing at all.

If you have to use a carrycot, place it across the back seat, as close to the middle as you can. This may use up more space, but it means the baby is less vulnerable in a crash. Place the baby?s head as far from the door as possible, to try to avoid contact with the door in a crash.

and this is more detailed:

The Best Buy Britax BABY-SAFE SLEEPER is the first 'lie-flat' child restraint system we've tested that protects the child well in a crash.

It is designed to carry babies from newborn up to 10kg. All the seats and carry-cots designed to carry babies lying down that we've previously assessed have been very tricky to install. And they have usually been found wanting, with major weaknesses in a front crash, side crash or both.

In contrast, this system, which sits across the rear seat of the car, secured using the three-point seatbelt, offers five-star crash protection in both front and side impacts.

Installing the Britax Baby Safe Sleeper is quite a complicated process compared to conventional child seats for this age group, but it has clear instructions and good warning labels, minimising the danger of it being installed incorrectly.

The baby travels in a well-padded, comfortable restraint and, to help cope with the normal spillages and leaks associated with newborns, the cover is easily removed and fully machine washable.

Britax has sensibly decided not to try and make the Baby Safe Sleeper work as an upright seat (which might have compromised its overall performance), but this means you ll have to purchase another seat as soon as you want your child to start travelling in an upright, seated position.

The Britax Baby Safe Sleeper seems to address many of the concerns about transporting newborn babies safely.

Pros: A safe, comfortable solution for anyone wishing to carry their newborn in a lying down position

Cons: Cannot be used to carry children sitting up. Limited to use by very young babies (up to 10kg)

Team Edward. My ds 3.5 is nearly grown out of his current group 1 seat. I thought that the next stage seat was the booster+back type that incorporates the car seat belt, not a 5 point harness.

Can you explain your link as i cant view it...do they need a 5 point harness until school age??

they are better in a 5pt harness as long as possible, but EU regs don't insist on it.

a stage 1-2 or 1-2-3 seat can mean there is space to expand the sitting area, raise the headrest etc as the child grows while still using the harness

But the advice is that the multiple age range ones arent as safe as they are compromised by the nature of multi-use IYSWIM.

So what do i do when he is out of stage 2...i.e eyes are level with top as he nearly is?? I had jsut assumed that the stage 3 would be ok as long as it is a proper one with a back and not just a booster cushion??

Am confused now.

Friends of mine are expecting their first child and have just bought a carrycot car restraint I just don't know what to do-keep stum or say something.

We have an Isofix fixed in by Halfords but the 5 point harness was tricky to get right the first few times which is scary when I think back on it.

hang on I thought he had grown out of stage 1 (ie forward facing with harness)?

on balance I think a slightly less highly-rated 123 seat that means he can stay in a harness for longer would be better than a 'safer' stage 2 seat that put him in an adult belt now
bearing in mind that all the seats comply with BS & EU regs anyway.

but that is just me, you will have to weigh up the diff in your own mind

i had one of those seats for dd1, they were rated fine in the first which tests, but obv when they were trashed by which i got another seat for dd2. the seat does look like it's fitted correctly in the first frame, tbh, although it may be that the seatbelts didn't co-operate, they're supposed to be yanked backwards to a point where they stop, so it feels very rigid. either the test ones weren't, or that's how the seatbelts actually behave in an accident.

the other thing is, that child imo would be deemed too long for the seat, iykwim?

still, you can't top Which on this, if they say it's a Do Not Buy i do not buy. [obedient]

OMG I've never heard of people strapping their babies into carrycots instead of proper car seats (except for in the 70s which is what my Mum did with me apparently.)

That is insane, why would you do that? Why are they allowed to be sold in this way. I'm

My DS is 3, and has just moved out of a 5 point harness into a high backed booster (which realigns the diagonal strap correctly).
He was over the weight for his stage 1, and the manufacturers all state that they must be moved once this happens. I tried to find a seat that would allow him to be in a 5 point harness till later, but the 1-2-3 seats require that you move from harness at the same weight

We looked into this a lot as DH had to see the results of far too many car accidents when he worked in motor insurance - including those where correct child seats would have saved the children

they are proper car seats, just lie-flat ones.

aha I was thinking of height restrictions not weight - of course you are right CMOT

i meant stage 1 sorry mrs B...as i said im confused! (easily done).

So im in the same boat as CMOT. So basically he does now (well soon) need a high back booster?