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To be pig sick of all these HCP's bothering me and looking for problems where there aren't any?! VERY LONG, EPIC IN FACT!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 11:37

DS has slow weight gain, he has been like this since 8 weeks old, he is now 20 months old. My HV has stressed me out about it in the early days to the point of despair. She even said after they pressured me in to putting him on formula that 'oh, we thought his poor weigh gain was to do with your breastfeeding but we can see now that he's the same on formula'. Yes, I told you I was breastfeeding him just fine but thanks for making me feel like I was starving him and that you were talking about me behind my back!

She wouldn't listen when I told her he is very high energy, just kept saying 'they're all like that'. She kept suggesting things to feed him but couldn't grasp the fact that he is very difficult to feed and only eats small amounts. She refered me to the paediatrician and had me worried there was something physically wrong with him. He has seen ds several times, done blood tests etc, says he's just a normal little boy but made small. He said he doesn't put on weight very quickly as high energy and doesn't eat massive amounts and that's just the way he is. He follows the bottom centile nicely.

It was only when I mentioned that he was difficult to feed to the paed that my HV suddenly tried to help with that. She came to 'observe' him eat ad was no help what so ever, she then claimed that this was the second time she had seen him eat - not true at all!! I think she was worried she would get in trouble for not trying to help earlier... She kept saying 'oh I saw him feed a while ago didn't I?' when she called me and I was thinking 'have you???!'

She then refered him to a program called 'moving pictures' as recommended by the paed to see if they could help. The lady came and filmed ds eating. The program is a group of psycholigists that deal with children who have behavoural problems. She reported back that we are doing nothing wrong at all and that he's just not got a great interest in food. She said to just be relaxed and encourage him to play with and experience the food etc and just said it will take time and progress will be slow. She added that she didn't really need to have seen him as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and usually they work with parents who have problems but we don't.

The HV also referred him to the physiotherapist at 11 months as he was commando crawling but not 'proper' crawling. I said I had no concerns about this as he had been a little slow with milestones but not exessively and I could see that he was making steady progress. She still insisted on referring me anyway .

So then I had to attend a string of appointments with the physio at 9am each time only to be told he was fine. Still had to go and see her though as now that i'd been referred she had to see him till he was walking. He walked at the age of 15 months, hardly 'late'.

I was also referred to the dietician, I explained to her he eats small amounts, she advised on high calorie foods and put him on high calorie milk which he's still on now.

I was also referred to a speech and language therapist to see if he had a physical difficulty with eating. Again, I didn't think he had. When the SLT came to see him the first time she said my HV had written to her telling her my ds gags, chokes and goes blue when eating . She also said she was told he had very frequent hiccups. To explain this I said he had gagged 'a few times in the very early days of weaning' which baby doesn't? The going blue thing was because she thought he looked a little blue on his top lip on one occasion when she visited, yes, i'm aware babies get this if they have a little trapped wind but theres a difference between that and 'going blue' everytime he eats. The hiccups were also observed on one occasion on one visit. I told her he gets hiccups 'now and again', not 'very frequently'. I feel like she exagerates everything and is constantly looking for problems with my ds.

At his year check she was not flexible at all on her 'marking' of him on her lists and made him out to be a lot less capable than he actually is. For instance she wanted to know if he would get the 'ball' if asked. Well, we hadn't taught him the word 'ball' by then so no he wouldn't. BUT if she had asked him to get the 'cat' he would have done it no problem. She didn't write down that he can fetch things on request though cause 'get the cat' wasn't on her list. She was just very pessamistic about his abilities and I felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall as I kept explaining he can do this this and this but she was like 'oh but can he do it exactly like this'. Bascially it made him look like a different child on paper. She also made out he had a weak left hand just because he wasn't keeping hold of a crayon with it when she handed it to him. He just didn't want to play with it! The physio checked this, nothing was wrong with his hand. So, another thing for me to worry about for no reason!

I stopped taking him to her at the clinic to get him weight when I was referred to the dietitcian and paed as they weighed him every few months and were a lot more optomistic about his weight gain.

When he was younger, she had me getting him weighed every week until he was 20 weeks old, then every 2 weeks till he was 50 weeks old! Every single weigh in caused me stress as she would pull her face and say 'only 4oz' or whatever the gain would be. I would then get questioned again about what he was eating, I dreaded it each week. I spend hours googling and posting on MN to find out what could be wrong with him as she had me so worried with her pessamistic attitute and constant referrals.

I went to see the doctor during all this and broke down and was put on ADs and sent for counselling. I am feeling a lot better about the whole thing now. I am no longer depressed and am off the AD's.

I am at the point now where I can see ds is small but perfectly formed and we just relax as much as we can about food. We encourage him to explore his food and he is slowly making progress. The paediatrician is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2 (last saw him at 18mo). He still see's the dietician as she is in charge of his high cal milk. In every other way we feel he's a perfectly normal little boy.

Sorry this is so long. I haven't seen the hv since his year check and didn't want to see her. She always stresses me so I made the decision not to get him weighed by her. As I said before he just gets weighed every 2/3 months by the dietician or paed which is quite frequent enough.

Anyway, last week he had a check up with the SLT just to see how he is getting on. She was happy with him regarding the food and said to just relax, make food fun, try food role play games etc.

What I am not happy about is her interpretation of him in other ways and also my HV (again). I recieved a phone call from my HV yesterday out of the blue (as I said, haven't seen her for 8 months). She said she had recieved the letter reporting back about Ds from the SLT and had I recieved my copy. I said no I haven't recieved it yet (and therefore had no idea what it said). She said that the letter said we should 'continue to monitor his weight', I swear this woman is obsessed with weighing him. I said 'well we are, he gets weighed by the dietician and paed', she said 'oh cause I noticed you hadn't got him weighed at the clinic for a while' I said 'yes, there's not been a big enough gap for me to need to plus I prefer to get him weighed by the paed/dietician'. The she said 'oh the letter says i would be a good idea to have him go to creche for a dinner time each week to see if eating with other children would help' I said 'yes that was suggested, I haven't had time to look in to it yet'. She was then like 'I can phone up about it for you if you like, would you be willing to pay for that every week' (I don't want her to phone for me particularily, I am an adult and can do it myself). Anyway, I felt a bit arkward so I just said 'yes if you like but it depends on the cost'. Then she mentioned a help with costs form and arranged to come round next week (great!) to fill it in with me etc

Anyway I recieved the letter she was referring to this morning. At no point in it does it say the words 'we should continue to monitor his weight' and certainly doesn't mention the hv doing it. It is worded in a way that assumes he gets weighed already and that we should seek help if his weight drops or he becomes pail or lethargic. This is unlikely however as he has so much excess energy it's unreal and I would never describe him as lethargic. But, if this did ever happen it would be picked up by the paed/dietician anyway as they weigh him...

Another thing in the letter is that it doesn't suggest him going to creche every week. It suggests to try him with 1 session to see if eating around lots of other children would be beneficial to him. So again she has exagerrated and I didn't know as I hadn't recieved the letter yet.

Another thing that has stressed me about the letter is the way the SLT has reported about Ds and how he is generally. She saw him for half an hour when he was tired and due a nap, has never seen him before.

She said things such as:

'Dylan has a very limited attention span' - He was tired and is only 20 months! What does she expect?

'Dylan continues to cast toys such as out of the box rather than continue to play with them for any length of time' - Again, he was tired, doesn't always do this, sometimes plays with toys for long periods of time with excellent concentration.

'Dylans speech can still be quite hard to understand' - He only said about 3 words whilst she was there as he was a bit shy and had never met her before, a lot of his words are clear as a bell and he is only 20 months!

'I have suggested that they should intrude on his wheel spinning and try to encourage some more imaginative play and show him how to brmm a truck or a car' - He likes to spin wheels but it's not the only thing he does and he can 'brmm a car' if he likes, he plays with allsorts, why would I purposely interrupt him doing something he enjoys all the time?

'I do think it's important that we continue to monitor his language development, social interaction and emerging imaginative play and refer to the Portage service in the autumn if this were needed' - I dont' feel there is any problem with any of this, he can say 40-50 words at least, interacts socially just fine and does engage in imaginative play (makes dolls dance, pretends to feed us, tries to ride the dog like a horse(poor thing), pretends to eat fake plastic food, cuddles teddies, pretends to talk on the phone etc etc).

I don't feel the SLT got a good idea of what he's like at all. This keeps happening, hcps see him for half an hour and assume he's a different child to the one we know. I don't want to be referred to someone else, i'm sick sick sick of appointments, I just want to enjoy raising my perfectly normal little boy without people picking and poking at him!

I don't want to see my HV again, she will drive me to despair, always does arrgghh!

Does anyone know if I can request to change HV's? I feel constantly undermined in my ability to be a parent and this affects my confidence, i'm sure it has contributed to my depression and in the early days affected my relationship with ds . I just want to be left alone to raise him. I dont' mind seeing the paed or dietician but all the other referrals seem over the top!

Thanks for getting this far, give me your oppinions good or bad.

Disclamer : I am hormonal and pregnant so I may be getting a little more wound up than usual but I wasn't pg in the past when she upset me. I felt like crying after she called yesteday as I thought 'here we go again'.

OP posts:
Deanna1977 · 13/07/2009 19:57

Hi Dalrymps. Just finished reading your post & the thread. Congrats for getting a new HV! It must be such a relief for you.

I really sympathise as I have a small DS - 5 1/2 lbs when born & growing steadily on the 0.4th centile. I have have him weighed countless times. I have a lovely HV but I have felt under pressure & stressed at times by her. I got him weighed weekly too at one point. He is a healthy, very bouncy & vocal little boy & at 10 months is meeting all his "milestones".
He has been referred to a paedriatrician & a dietician who have no concerns (but keeping an eye on him in follow up checks) but still the HV wants me at baby clinics weigh ins. Last week I suggeted that I wouldn't be able to get to the baby clinic as I am going back to work shortly, but she still wants me to go if can. Having read this thread & the advice from other Mnetters (in particular the little gem of the WHO guidlines for weighing babies)I don't think I be visiting baby clinic for a long time!

GentlyDoingIt · 13/07/2009 20:00

Excellent Dalrymps, well done! You and your son are going to get so much out of this.

Now then, what nice things can you plan to go out and do this Wednesday afternoon, just in case your HV doesn't get the message in time?

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 21:08

Thanks for all the messages of support ladies. Feel a lot better about the whole thing now.

Deanna1977 - Good idea to steer clear of the weigh in's at the clinic for a long time! Your ds sounds much like mine If you've been referred to the paed and dietician then they should take care of the weighing anyway without you needing to see your hv. Ds has floated along the 0.4th centile for as long as I can remember now. Remember, being at the bottom of the chart doesn't mean they're 'underweight' it means they are within the range of what is normal. Some babies have to be at the bottom and some have to be at the top, niether is better, all just within the range of normal.

OP posts:
mumeeee · 13/07/2009 21:36

Yes you can ask to change to another health visitor. I would report this one to your GP and explain exactly why you are requesting to change to another HV.

mumeeee · 13/07/2009 21:39

Sorry Dalrymps I didn't see your post about getting another HV. Congratulations that you managed to to do this.

chegirl · 13/07/2009 21:42

I am so pleased you seem to be getting this sorted Dalrymps (ironically your name makes me think of doctors - Dalrymple is a common medical name }

I hope you understand I cannot tell you online that your DS is fine developmentally, it would be unethical. But from what you say he does not appear to present as a candidate for portage.

I have had a couple of wonderful HVs. My DD's HV visited us in hospital when she had cancer. We hadnt seen her for nearly 10 years but she remembered us and bought DD a lovely present.

I have also had a HV who upset me a lot (see my AIBU thread) by ignoring my DS3 and being really nosey about my DD's illness and death and her parting shot was 'I bet you are really worried about your others now arnt you, you know incase they get it too)

My booking in HV was also a cracker. She spent 40 mins telling me rather than asking me 'this is a council house', 'you are bottle feeding', 'they have different fathers do they?', 'You partner is unemployed' (none of these statements were true) and best of all, when she asked me how many children I had I told her 3 boys and I had a daughter who died she said 'well that was a stillbirth obviously' This despite me sitting beneath the shelf with the urn and a huge picture of my 14 year old daughter. (why a stillbirth would be described as obvious is still a mystery).

Like a PP (sorry I havent scrolled up to find you) I found myself on a 'baby and me' course despite DS3 being my 4th child and having been a foster carer with [almost] a degree in childhood studies . I am not quite sure why I agreed to go, I blame the hormones and politeness!

NeedCoffee · 13/07/2009 22:01

Dal-just seen this! Wow, glad you have got it sorted out, was already to drive down on Wed to cofront her at half bloody two, how dare she?!

Well done for getting this far, I hope you have no more problems from her

thumbwitch · 13/07/2009 22:58

Dalrymps - hurrah for you, well done for taking the bull by the horns and I hope your next HV is much more appropriate!

I am so grateful that my HV was lovely - all the team I had to deal with re. DS have been great, I must be a very lucky person. I hope I am as lucky when/if we have another (will be a different country so who knows)

oneopinionatedmother · 13/07/2009 23:15

OG! how awful..

YANBU to the max.

she is causing you undue stress and worry.

my 2 yo is only just making recognizable words - shes fine.

she didn't crawl ever, but started walking at 12 mths....again no concern to me.

I didn't weigh her so have no idea about weight gain 'normality' or otherwise.
but then, there's no-one trying to make me worried...
1 in every ten kids is always going to be in the bottom ten percentile (by definition) - so it's no sign of a problem!

frankly it doesn't sound like there is any problem with your little boy, he's just little. When he gets older, he may regard that as a good thing. Or he might be fat, in which case it obviously won't have hurt him!

I'm with CJMOmmy re: the complaint, but if you don't feel up to that, either change HV's or just don't see her. You don't have to.

JustKeepSwimming · 14/07/2009 07:08

Hurrah Dalrymps, well done you

Hope new HV is lovely.

Dalrymps · 14/07/2009 08:27

Just left her another message to make sure she's clear I don't want her coming round on wed. I ended it with 'thanks for the offer of help but you're alright'

OP posts:
ScummyMummy · 14/07/2009 09:11

Excellent, Dalrymps.

Sorry to hear about your HV, che.

AitchTwoOh · 14/07/2009 11:22

lol at 'you're alright'. i love it, it's so utterly without meaning.

JustKeepSwimming · 14/07/2009 11:29

Love it - well done

YorkshireRose · 14/07/2009 12:03

When my DD was born she was firmly on the 95th centile yet my HV insisted on coming in to weigh her every 2 days!

On one occasion DD had not put on any weight in the 2 days so she was all set to ring surgery, get referral to hospital for tests. I then pointed out that DD was due for a feed so she should have weighed her after this. After the feed, surprise surprise, she had put on 4oz.

All this despite the fact that DD was big, chubby, never at any point fell below her birthweight (which is normal) and stayed firmly on 95th centile.

After the above incident I told her she was no longer needed as any fool could see my DD was not stareving to death!

Some HVs simply have no common sense and should not be allowed within a million miles of nervous first time mums who are vulnerable enough without this nonsense.

idunnop · 14/07/2009 12:28

I've just read all your posts on this thread and can't believe what this HV has put you through!

Your DS dropped from 9th centile to 0.4th in his first year? Not a big change - my DD is a month older than your DS and she dropped from 50th to below the 9th in her first year. She was never referred because of it, although we see a paed and dietician for her allergies anyway and they're not concerned about her weight as she is healthy and active, just doesn't have a big appetite and is naturally small.

Also, I would say my DD's speech is around average judging by the other children I know of a similar age (21 months) and your DS's speech sounds miles better than that!! I don't think she says as many words as your DS and she certainly has never yet strung two words together - only single words so far, and mostly not pronounced very well. I would certainly not be able to get her to talk on demand in order to be assessed!

Really puzzled as to why you are seeing so many specialists for what sounds like a perfectly normal child, but I assume t's all due to the pushy HV.

Well done for finally getting rid of her! And even though it's great you've changed to another one, seriously don't feel you have to see an HV at all if you don't want to.

You sound like you're doing a great job but your confidence has been totally undermined by a very poor HV.

Congratulations on your new pregnancy and hopefully you'll be able to just enjoy the new baby (and your DS) in future without all this interference!

FairLadyRantALot · 14/07/2009 12:41

Glad you were able to change your HV...

the previous HV, was she inexperienced? Did she have children herself?
I always found that that made a big difference...

scaryteacher · 14/07/2009 13:55

Well done on dealing with this. As to the concentration issue - my 13yo ds has a short attention span for putting away shopping/clean washing/doing homework - but can concentrate on Warhammer and his PC for hours! It's a boy thing!!!!

Mummy2LZ · 14/07/2009 15:27

Hi Dalrymps

Sorry I have read entire post just first page.
I know how you feel about the Speach Therapists and Psychologists though.
They have a list and if your child dosn't compare to that list apon meeting with a complete stranger in a totally strange environment then there must be something wrong with them!!!!!!

My DD has to have regular checks with SP and Psych just to make sure she is developing normaly but it makes me so cross when I read the reports that tell me she is unable to complete tasks that I know she can do standing on her head in the dark!!!

It used to really stress me out and make me cross so I spoke to her Consultant about it and he told me that at this stage they take the reports with a pinch of salt and they are just being used as a comparison for furthere down the track to make sure she is moving forwards rather than backwards.

Unfortunately it is something we have to endure once a year and it dosn't hurt her.
I just have to get over it and now show her that it upsets me.

My chatty, happy DD goes completley silent when we enter the consulting room and turns into a different child.
I wish the so called child therapists would come and watch her playing with the other kids in the waiting area before they did their assessments or give us a video camera to film her at home or school.
She dosn't comply with their tests therefore she is "unwilling" or not normal rather than Shy or scared.

I know she is o.k and she is fine at school and play so I will stop worrying until the next time.

Hope you don't have to go through with any of this again.

As long as you, your son and your Paediatrician are happy that is all that matters.

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