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To be pig sick of all these HCP's bothering me and looking for problems where there aren't any?! VERY LONG, EPIC IN FACT!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 11:37

DS has slow weight gain, he has been like this since 8 weeks old, he is now 20 months old. My HV has stressed me out about it in the early days to the point of despair. She even said after they pressured me in to putting him on formula that 'oh, we thought his poor weigh gain was to do with your breastfeeding but we can see now that he's the same on formula'. Yes, I told you I was breastfeeding him just fine but thanks for making me feel like I was starving him and that you were talking about me behind my back!

She wouldn't listen when I told her he is very high energy, just kept saying 'they're all like that'. She kept suggesting things to feed him but couldn't grasp the fact that he is very difficult to feed and only eats small amounts. She refered me to the paediatrician and had me worried there was something physically wrong with him. He has seen ds several times, done blood tests etc, says he's just a normal little boy but made small. He said he doesn't put on weight very quickly as high energy and doesn't eat massive amounts and that's just the way he is. He follows the bottom centile nicely.

It was only when I mentioned that he was difficult to feed to the paed that my HV suddenly tried to help with that. She came to 'observe' him eat ad was no help what so ever, she then claimed that this was the second time she had seen him eat - not true at all!! I think she was worried she would get in trouble for not trying to help earlier... She kept saying 'oh I saw him feed a while ago didn't I?' when she called me and I was thinking 'have you???!'

She then refered him to a program called 'moving pictures' as recommended by the paed to see if they could help. The lady came and filmed ds eating. The program is a group of psycholigists that deal with children who have behavoural problems. She reported back that we are doing nothing wrong at all and that he's just not got a great interest in food. She said to just be relaxed and encourage him to play with and experience the food etc and just said it will take time and progress will be slow. She added that she didn't really need to have seen him as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and usually they work with parents who have problems but we don't.

The HV also referred him to the physiotherapist at 11 months as he was commando crawling but not 'proper' crawling. I said I had no concerns about this as he had been a little slow with milestones but not exessively and I could see that he was making steady progress. She still insisted on referring me anyway .

So then I had to attend a string of appointments with the physio at 9am each time only to be told he was fine. Still had to go and see her though as now that i'd been referred she had to see him till he was walking. He walked at the age of 15 months, hardly 'late'.

I was also referred to the dietician, I explained to her he eats small amounts, she advised on high calorie foods and put him on high calorie milk which he's still on now.

I was also referred to a speech and language therapist to see if he had a physical difficulty with eating. Again, I didn't think he had. When the SLT came to see him the first time she said my HV had written to her telling her my ds gags, chokes and goes blue when eating . She also said she was told he had very frequent hiccups. To explain this I said he had gagged 'a few times in the very early days of weaning' which baby doesn't? The going blue thing was because she thought he looked a little blue on his top lip on one occasion when she visited, yes, i'm aware babies get this if they have a little trapped wind but theres a difference between that and 'going blue' everytime he eats. The hiccups were also observed on one occasion on one visit. I told her he gets hiccups 'now and again', not 'very frequently'. I feel like she exagerates everything and is constantly looking for problems with my ds.

At his year check she was not flexible at all on her 'marking' of him on her lists and made him out to be a lot less capable than he actually is. For instance she wanted to know if he would get the 'ball' if asked. Well, we hadn't taught him the word 'ball' by then so no he wouldn't. BUT if she had asked him to get the 'cat' he would have done it no problem. She didn't write down that he can fetch things on request though cause 'get the cat' wasn't on her list. She was just very pessamistic about his abilities and I felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall as I kept explaining he can do this this and this but she was like 'oh but can he do it exactly like this'. Bascially it made him look like a different child on paper. She also made out he had a weak left hand just because he wasn't keeping hold of a crayon with it when she handed it to him. He just didn't want to play with it! The physio checked this, nothing was wrong with his hand. So, another thing for me to worry about for no reason!

I stopped taking him to her at the clinic to get him weight when I was referred to the dietitcian and paed as they weighed him every few months and were a lot more optomistic about his weight gain.

When he was younger, she had me getting him weighed every week until he was 20 weeks old, then every 2 weeks till he was 50 weeks old! Every single weigh in caused me stress as she would pull her face and say 'only 4oz' or whatever the gain would be. I would then get questioned again about what he was eating, I dreaded it each week. I spend hours googling and posting on MN to find out what could be wrong with him as she had me so worried with her pessamistic attitute and constant referrals.

I went to see the doctor during all this and broke down and was put on ADs and sent for counselling. I am feeling a lot better about the whole thing now. I am no longer depressed and am off the AD's.

I am at the point now where I can see ds is small but perfectly formed and we just relax as much as we can about food. We encourage him to explore his food and he is slowly making progress. The paediatrician is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2 (last saw him at 18mo). He still see's the dietician as she is in charge of his high cal milk. In every other way we feel he's a perfectly normal little boy.

Sorry this is so long. I haven't seen the hv since his year check and didn't want to see her. She always stresses me so I made the decision not to get him weighed by her. As I said before he just gets weighed every 2/3 months by the dietician or paed which is quite frequent enough.

Anyway, last week he had a check up with the SLT just to see how he is getting on. She was happy with him regarding the food and said to just relax, make food fun, try food role play games etc.

What I am not happy about is her interpretation of him in other ways and also my HV (again). I recieved a phone call from my HV yesterday out of the blue (as I said, haven't seen her for 8 months). She said she had recieved the letter reporting back about Ds from the SLT and had I recieved my copy. I said no I haven't recieved it yet (and therefore had no idea what it said). She said that the letter said we should 'continue to monitor his weight', I swear this woman is obsessed with weighing him. I said 'well we are, he gets weighed by the dietician and paed', she said 'oh cause I noticed you hadn't got him weighed at the clinic for a while' I said 'yes, there's not been a big enough gap for me to need to plus I prefer to get him weighed by the paed/dietician'. The she said 'oh the letter says i would be a good idea to have him go to creche for a dinner time each week to see if eating with other children would help' I said 'yes that was suggested, I haven't had time to look in to it yet'. She was then like 'I can phone up about it for you if you like, would you be willing to pay for that every week' (I don't want her to phone for me particularily, I am an adult and can do it myself). Anyway, I felt a bit arkward so I just said 'yes if you like but it depends on the cost'. Then she mentioned a help with costs form and arranged to come round next week (great!) to fill it in with me etc

Anyway I recieved the letter she was referring to this morning. At no point in it does it say the words 'we should continue to monitor his weight' and certainly doesn't mention the hv doing it. It is worded in a way that assumes he gets weighed already and that we should seek help if his weight drops or he becomes pail or lethargic. This is unlikely however as he has so much excess energy it's unreal and I would never describe him as lethargic. But, if this did ever happen it would be picked up by the paed/dietician anyway as they weigh him...

Another thing in the letter is that it doesn't suggest him going to creche every week. It suggests to try him with 1 session to see if eating around lots of other children would be beneficial to him. So again she has exagerrated and I didn't know as I hadn't recieved the letter yet.

Another thing that has stressed me about the letter is the way the SLT has reported about Ds and how he is generally. She saw him for half an hour when he was tired and due a nap, has never seen him before.

She said things such as:

'Dylan has a very limited attention span' - He was tired and is only 20 months! What does she expect?

'Dylan continues to cast toys such as out of the box rather than continue to play with them for any length of time' - Again, he was tired, doesn't always do this, sometimes plays with toys for long periods of time with excellent concentration.

'Dylans speech can still be quite hard to understand' - He only said about 3 words whilst she was there as he was a bit shy and had never met her before, a lot of his words are clear as a bell and he is only 20 months!

'I have suggested that they should intrude on his wheel spinning and try to encourage some more imaginative play and show him how to brmm a truck or a car' - He likes to spin wheels but it's not the only thing he does and he can 'brmm a car' if he likes, he plays with allsorts, why would I purposely interrupt him doing something he enjoys all the time?

'I do think it's important that we continue to monitor his language development, social interaction and emerging imaginative play and refer to the Portage service in the autumn if this were needed' - I dont' feel there is any problem with any of this, he can say 40-50 words at least, interacts socially just fine and does engage in imaginative play (makes dolls dance, pretends to feed us, tries to ride the dog like a horse(poor thing), pretends to eat fake plastic food, cuddles teddies, pretends to talk on the phone etc etc).

I don't feel the SLT got a good idea of what he's like at all. This keeps happening, hcps see him for half an hour and assume he's a different child to the one we know. I don't want to be referred to someone else, i'm sick sick sick of appointments, I just want to enjoy raising my perfectly normal little boy without people picking and poking at him!

I don't want to see my HV again, she will drive me to despair, always does arrgghh!

Does anyone know if I can request to change HV's? I feel constantly undermined in my ability to be a parent and this affects my confidence, i'm sure it has contributed to my depression and in the early days affected my relationship with ds . I just want to be left alone to raise him. I dont' mind seeing the paed or dietician but all the other referrals seem over the top!

Thanks for getting this far, give me your oppinions good or bad.

Disclamer : I am hormonal and pregnant so I may be getting a little more wound up than usual but I wasn't pg in the past when she upset me. I felt like crying after she called yesteday as I thought 'here we go again'.

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HumphreyCobbler · 11/07/2009 22:28

Oh God she sounds just like my HV.

I will not be taking my dd to any developmental checks at all after my last run in with her.

I think she sounds like a nightmare. Hope you manage to avoid her in the future.

verylittlecarrot · 11/07/2009 22:31

Oh. My. God.

Dalrymps, I read your OP (remembered some of your story from the little acorns thread) and I could practically touch your desperation in trying to justify yourself and your little boy's progress to people that are doubting your every word. I recognise some of what you have experienced, and this is my very best advice to you.

In writing, you put down words to the effect of

"after great consideration, I have concluded that the NHS HV service is one from which I am not benefitting at all. I am therefore requesting that I no longer receive any contact from [insert HV name] or indeed, any other HV. I request that you ensure that no HV is copied in on any correspondence relating to my son. I am in effect 'opting out' of the optional HV service. I am satisfied that his healthcare is more than adequately covered by the various other health professionals who are caring for him, and I will of course continue to avail myself of my GP's services as appropriate.

Please action this with immediate effect and confirm in writing that you ghave done so.

Yours, etc"

Send to HV's manager.

You can always see an HV at any time in the future if you wish, even having sent this letter. But I bet you don't.

You can worry about complaining later, when you feel up to it.

But PLEASE, please, please get this woman permanently out of your life. She is toxic, and you know it. You will feel soooo much better if you do this, I promise.

atigercametotea · 11/07/2009 22:35

oh my goodnes!!!

Of course, have nothing more to do with her!

You don't even need to see a health visitor if you don't want to! More so in your case when you are seeing so many other more (competent) health professionals.

Write and insist she does not contact you or your family again - cite all the reasons in your post.

I would also suggest complaining but that may involve her putting in her two pence worth which may me more annoying for you when all she is speaking is nonsense!

Really angry on your behalf! Cannot believe her cheek!

chefswife · 11/07/2009 22:51

I went through similar situation in that DD is petit. At 7 months she is only 13 pounds. I knew she ate fine but when the doctor brings out her little chart that shows DD is in the 5th percentile, they send off all these alarms and freak out new parents. Then when it came time to begin shots, (we are waiting till she is two. NA and Europe refuse to see the studies done in Japan that indicate clearly that vaccinations are to harmful a risk to infants) I began getting harassing calls from Health Nurse and the Paed Dr said some nasty things, scare tactics. After the last phone call i got from the HN, and she tried to out intellectualize me, she got and earful and I told her to put a note on my file that I am not to be phoned again or I will move to make a harassment complaint with the police. The last HN to phone me was badgering me and threatened to call Social Services, stating I was an unfit mother. I wasn't pleasant after that. She f@£$&cked with the wrong, extremely informed, mother.

My suggestion is, you know your child and you know he is fine so stop listening to these people and let them know it. HN only know what is in the papers that are given to them. They strike me as being a lazy bunch, never questioning the status quo. Then they use fear to get you to do stuff that are unnecessary.

good luck and remember, you are the authority on your child's development. Humans have experienced thousands of years of evolution without the health nurse.

katiestar · 11/07/2009 23:42

I understand how wearing this constant worrying must be .I don't think you are going to like what i have to say but you have asked for opinions , so here goes.
Your HV isn't a lone voice in the wilderness is she? Your DC has been seen /is being seen by a paediatrician ,a physio ,a dietician a SLT and all of them seem to have slight concern about your DS. You seem to be the one who is in denial and I think that is why the HV is being like she is.
(Please bear in mind too the letter you got from the SLT might not be the same communication that your HV got.)

mrsboogie · 11/07/2009 23:49

Oh my God. There seems to be something VERY wrong here. And I don't mean with you or your child who sounds perfectly normal. I don't understand it. I have a ten month old who hasn't been weighed since he was 4 weeks which was the last time the hv came to visit. She hasn't bothered me since. I haven't taken him to be weighed since he looks neither too fat nor to thin. He doesn't crawl either yet but I would be amazed if anyone thought there was a problem with that.

You must find a way to break this cycle. Take back control from this woman.

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:00

i don't think anyone is advising dalrymps to disconnect from all medical help, just a pretty manipulative hv who is not above completely misrepresenting a letter cc'd to both.

Lucky13 · 12/07/2009 00:01

I too have a v small DD and used to get pestered by all sorts of HCP's - but nothing like the scale of problem's you have had - poor thing.

I've stopped seeing them all now because i know my DD is fine and i don't need people stressing me out for no reason.

Do you feel that you really need all these appointments?

Just tell the HV you're fine thanks and then cancel any other appointments that you don't actually need. They can't force you to see them.

If you think your DS is fine - then he is - you're his mum and you know him best!!

Loshad · 12/07/2009 00:05

I would just ignore this HV, if you are happy with how your DS is developing then you don't need her interference. My DS4 fell down the height/weight centiles like a stone after being born, and at about the age your DS is was way below the 5th centile. difference was my HV just said oh he looks healthy enough, are you worried and we left him alone. He's now 8 and of average height in his class! Is it possible for you to change practices or is it logistically hard, if it is I'd drop the pratice a note saying you will contact them if you want to see the HV, but otherwise the HV is not to contact you.

katiestar · 12/07/2009 00:06

Being small, on its own , isn't enough to create a referral.My DD2 since about 8 weeks old has been well within the shaded bit at the bottom of the chart.I even asked a neighbour who is a paed and they said she was just 'like a fairy'

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:08

isn't it the hv who's pushing for the referrals? you don't know whether she's just more panicky than your one, katiestar.

katiestar · 12/07/2009 00:18

Possibly Aitch.But I thought what with heavy workloads and waiting lists , a paed , SLT etc would discharge a child sharpish if they thought there was nothing at all wrong , but as far as I can tell from the OP none of them have discharged him.

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:23

that's not my experience, funnily enough. i had to be a bit pushy to get them to discharge my dd. unless you're seeing the most senior doctors, juniors often don't want to discharge without their boss's okay.

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:24

and i don't think that dalrymps thougth her son shone at the slt app, so my impression is that she didn't think the assessment was unfair for that half hour, more that he was not his usual self during that time.

verylittlecarrot · 12/07/2009 00:28

Things can cascade to a ridiculous extent, though, katiestar, and often that is brutally apparent with hindsight. I have had a similar experience of HCPs not having a wide enough experience of the outer fringes of what still constitutes 'normal', and then a cascade of referrals, each professional looking for validation about their own misconceptions, culminating in a paed who completely contrived a 'possible developmental delay' to support his preferred "oh just feed the child up" approach. Fortunately I was able to video my child performing the precise developmental task he claimed she was unable to achieve. Even with, that, it was excruciatingly hard to extract myself from the cascade of intervention which should have been completely avoided.

I can now see, 2 years on, with utter clarity, that my dd is disgustingly healthy and normal, and always was (although she was unusually small).

It is humiliating for a HCP to back down and say, "actually, I was completely wrong, and there never was a problem" They will continue to justify their original stance in most cases.

Dalrymps has two choices; to continually try to convince and justify to her HV why she is right and they are wrong, or to cut and run, and get on with watching her lovely little boy grow and develop without the enormous pressure she is facing.

katiestar · 12/07/2009 00:32

Yes I guess if all you ever see are kids with eating / speech /whatever problems that is what you are looking for and that is what you see.There's a saying about that but can't thing how it goes .(something about horseshoes on ants ?)

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:34

but i do think katiestar raised a valid point, that we shouldn't just lightly dismiss medical opinion over maternal instinct. but an hv, get her arse kicked out of here... they're simply not that bright. keep seeing the other docs, and ask for wider spaced apps if it's getting too much.

verylittlecarrot · 12/07/2009 00:50

agreed Aitch. But gradually extracting herself and pushing for discharge still allows each professional to give her the reassurance that her ds is fine. Constant observation without any actual diagnosis or treatment is soul destroying and counter-productive.

Seriously though, ditch that HV entirely. Ugh.

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 00:52

also agreed, vlc. so your little french princess is two now? how is THAT possible?

mumzy · 12/07/2009 08:24

The most important way of monitoring whether your ds is growing ok or not is to look at the general trend of his centile charts (weight, height) which is in your red book. The majority of babies tend to follow roughly the same weight & height centiles as they were at birth or at 1 month, going above or below centiles as long as they are not more than 2 major centiles is also deemed ok.
If a child's weight or height centiles goes above or below 2 major weight and height centiles for more than 3 months then it could indicate a problem and needs investigating.
The amount of food eaten, unless the types of food eaten are very restricted, would in itself not been seen as a problem as long as the child was growing normally (see above),developing well and hydrated.

AitchTwoOh · 12/07/2009 09:38

what does 'major' mean in this context?

stripeysox · 12/07/2009 09:42

Your HV obviously isn't aware of the current guidelines for weighing. If there's concern about a child's weight they definitely shouldn't be weighed more often than 3 monthly (if over 1yr old) because it won't give an accurate picture, see
Department of Health When should babies be weighed?

TotalChaos · 12/07/2009 09:52

major will mean the way lines are grouped I assumed - so by major centiles the poster means say from 50th to 9th, rather than 50th to 48th! I'ld be inclined to take SALT more seriously than HV, but then I've had an inexperienced SALT getting things wrong with DS too (DS had evident problems but she created some non-existent problems on top), so I suppose noone is infallible. Let's hope your HV is as proactive arranging SALT referrals etc for parents who do have real concerns

agree with everyone else about dumping the HV, as you are finding her "services" are stressing you out.

also as another poster has mentioned, may be worth taking video footage of your DS playing/interacting nicely, to show to SALT.

Dalrymps · 12/07/2009 10:45

katiestar - You're right, I didn't like what you wrote. I am not 'in denial'. The physio was not concerned about ds at all but she explained rules sate that once referred she can't discharge a child until they're walking so thats why I had to go for 2 further app's. The moving pictures program saw him once then came back to give me the feedback that they weren't concerned as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and we are doing nothing wrong. The dietician continues to see him to check his weight gain is still steady and to make sure he still needs to be on the high cal milk (he does need to be on it and I am aware of this as he doesn't take in enough food yet to compensate). The paed just generally checks him over and I am happy to see him as he is nice and always writes back that ds is doing well and is healthy and happy and he doesn't have any concerns. The SLT saw him once in jan this year then came back for a check up, I agreed to see her again as her advice was quite useful with regards to his feeding the first time. She advised he doesn't have any physical problems eating but is just one of those babies who is sensetive to textures of food and advised ways to get him used to textures.

The only concern I have ever had about my son is his relationship with food. He is coming on in leaps and bounds all the time. He only has 4 teeth and i'm sure this affects it to some extent. Some babaies take ages to sleep through the night, ds is taking ages to get used to eating. I am really happy with how he is getting on at the moment, everyone that knows him thinks he is a perfectly normal little boy who is fussy with food.

He was only 6lb 5oz born, he was on the 9th centile, he very gradully dropped to the 2nd centile (2 centiles below) over his 1st year and thats when the hv referred him to the paed to check that there wasn't some other reason for him being small. He's never actually lost weight once. The paed concluded that his weight was a combo of him just being made that way and being a fussy eater, at the same point the dietician prescribed him high cal milk to top up his calories and he has stayed on the same centile ever since. The paed is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2.

It was the hv that pushed all the referrals. It's not so easy to get out of the system once you're in it. He never had any physical problems and I still believe he didn't need to see the paed. I went along with the other referrals because as a responsible mother (who is not in denial) I was happy to gather any information that would help me to get my ds to eat more/better. As it turned out I never recieved any groundbreaking advice as he doesn't have a physical problem eating, just a general dislike. So, the only thing myself and my dh can do is to put food infront of him and relax (something that's very difficult to do when you have several hcp's breathing down your neck and telling you to get him to eat x,y and z).

It's working. There is no other problem, he speaks fine, plays fine, moves fine. I do not need help with anything else and I have gotten all the help I need for his feeding, it's just a matter of time and teeth now.

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Dalrymps · 12/07/2009 10:50

That should read 'I still believe he didn't need to see the physio.

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