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To be pig sick of all these HCP's bothering me and looking for problems where there aren't any?! VERY LONG, EPIC IN FACT!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 11:37

DS has slow weight gain, he has been like this since 8 weeks old, he is now 20 months old. My HV has stressed me out about it in the early days to the point of despair. She even said after they pressured me in to putting him on formula that 'oh, we thought his poor weigh gain was to do with your breastfeeding but we can see now that he's the same on formula'. Yes, I told you I was breastfeeding him just fine but thanks for making me feel like I was starving him and that you were talking about me behind my back!

She wouldn't listen when I told her he is very high energy, just kept saying 'they're all like that'. She kept suggesting things to feed him but couldn't grasp the fact that he is very difficult to feed and only eats small amounts. She refered me to the paediatrician and had me worried there was something physically wrong with him. He has seen ds several times, done blood tests etc, says he's just a normal little boy but made small. He said he doesn't put on weight very quickly as high energy and doesn't eat massive amounts and that's just the way he is. He follows the bottom centile nicely.

It was only when I mentioned that he was difficult to feed to the paed that my HV suddenly tried to help with that. She came to 'observe' him eat ad was no help what so ever, she then claimed that this was the second time she had seen him eat - not true at all!! I think she was worried she would get in trouble for not trying to help earlier... She kept saying 'oh I saw him feed a while ago didn't I?' when she called me and I was thinking 'have you???!'

She then refered him to a program called 'moving pictures' as recommended by the paed to see if they could help. The lady came and filmed ds eating. The program is a group of psycholigists that deal with children who have behavoural problems. She reported back that we are doing nothing wrong at all and that he's just not got a great interest in food. She said to just be relaxed and encourage him to play with and experience the food etc and just said it will take time and progress will be slow. She added that she didn't really need to have seen him as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and usually they work with parents who have problems but we don't.

The HV also referred him to the physiotherapist at 11 months as he was commando crawling but not 'proper' crawling. I said I had no concerns about this as he had been a little slow with milestones but not exessively and I could see that he was making steady progress. She still insisted on referring me anyway .

So then I had to attend a string of appointments with the physio at 9am each time only to be told he was fine. Still had to go and see her though as now that i'd been referred she had to see him till he was walking. He walked at the age of 15 months, hardly 'late'.

I was also referred to the dietician, I explained to her he eats small amounts, she advised on high calorie foods and put him on high calorie milk which he's still on now.

I was also referred to a speech and language therapist to see if he had a physical difficulty with eating. Again, I didn't think he had. When the SLT came to see him the first time she said my HV had written to her telling her my ds gags, chokes and goes blue when eating . She also said she was told he had very frequent hiccups. To explain this I said he had gagged 'a few times in the very early days of weaning' which baby doesn't? The going blue thing was because she thought he looked a little blue on his top lip on one occasion when she visited, yes, i'm aware babies get this if they have a little trapped wind but theres a difference between that and 'going blue' everytime he eats. The hiccups were also observed on one occasion on one visit. I told her he gets hiccups 'now and again', not 'very frequently'. I feel like she exagerates everything and is constantly looking for problems with my ds.

At his year check she was not flexible at all on her 'marking' of him on her lists and made him out to be a lot less capable than he actually is. For instance she wanted to know if he would get the 'ball' if asked. Well, we hadn't taught him the word 'ball' by then so no he wouldn't. BUT if she had asked him to get the 'cat' he would have done it no problem. She didn't write down that he can fetch things on request though cause 'get the cat' wasn't on her list. She was just very pessamistic about his abilities and I felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall as I kept explaining he can do this this and this but she was like 'oh but can he do it exactly like this'. Bascially it made him look like a different child on paper. She also made out he had a weak left hand just because he wasn't keeping hold of a crayon with it when she handed it to him. He just didn't want to play with it! The physio checked this, nothing was wrong with his hand. So, another thing for me to worry about for no reason!

I stopped taking him to her at the clinic to get him weight when I was referred to the dietitcian and paed as they weighed him every few months and were a lot more optomistic about his weight gain.

When he was younger, she had me getting him weighed every week until he was 20 weeks old, then every 2 weeks till he was 50 weeks old! Every single weigh in caused me stress as she would pull her face and say 'only 4oz' or whatever the gain would be. I would then get questioned again about what he was eating, I dreaded it each week. I spend hours googling and posting on MN to find out what could be wrong with him as she had me so worried with her pessamistic attitute and constant referrals.

I went to see the doctor during all this and broke down and was put on ADs and sent for counselling. I am feeling a lot better about the whole thing now. I am no longer depressed and am off the AD's.

I am at the point now where I can see ds is small but perfectly formed and we just relax as much as we can about food. We encourage him to explore his food and he is slowly making progress. The paediatrician is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2 (last saw him at 18mo). He still see's the dietician as she is in charge of his high cal milk. In every other way we feel he's a perfectly normal little boy.

Sorry this is so long. I haven't seen the hv since his year check and didn't want to see her. She always stresses me so I made the decision not to get him weighed by her. As I said before he just gets weighed every 2/3 months by the dietician or paed which is quite frequent enough.

Anyway, last week he had a check up with the SLT just to see how he is getting on. She was happy with him regarding the food and said to just relax, make food fun, try food role play games etc.

What I am not happy about is her interpretation of him in other ways and also my HV (again). I recieved a phone call from my HV yesterday out of the blue (as I said, haven't seen her for 8 months). She said she had recieved the letter reporting back about Ds from the SLT and had I recieved my copy. I said no I haven't recieved it yet (and therefore had no idea what it said). She said that the letter said we should 'continue to monitor his weight', I swear this woman is obsessed with weighing him. I said 'well we are, he gets weighed by the dietician and paed', she said 'oh cause I noticed you hadn't got him weighed at the clinic for a while' I said 'yes, there's not been a big enough gap for me to need to plus I prefer to get him weighed by the paed/dietician'. The she said 'oh the letter says i would be a good idea to have him go to creche for a dinner time each week to see if eating with other children would help' I said 'yes that was suggested, I haven't had time to look in to it yet'. She was then like 'I can phone up about it for you if you like, would you be willing to pay for that every week' (I don't want her to phone for me particularily, I am an adult and can do it myself). Anyway, I felt a bit arkward so I just said 'yes if you like but it depends on the cost'. Then she mentioned a help with costs form and arranged to come round next week (great!) to fill it in with me etc

Anyway I recieved the letter she was referring to this morning. At no point in it does it say the words 'we should continue to monitor his weight' and certainly doesn't mention the hv doing it. It is worded in a way that assumes he gets weighed already and that we should seek help if his weight drops or he becomes pail or lethargic. This is unlikely however as he has so much excess energy it's unreal and I would never describe him as lethargic. But, if this did ever happen it would be picked up by the paed/dietician anyway as they weigh him...

Another thing in the letter is that it doesn't suggest him going to creche every week. It suggests to try him with 1 session to see if eating around lots of other children would be beneficial to him. So again she has exagerrated and I didn't know as I hadn't recieved the letter yet.

Another thing that has stressed me about the letter is the way the SLT has reported about Ds and how he is generally. She saw him for half an hour when he was tired and due a nap, has never seen him before.

She said things such as:

'Dylan has a very limited attention span' - He was tired and is only 20 months! What does she expect?

'Dylan continues to cast toys such as out of the box rather than continue to play with them for any length of time' - Again, he was tired, doesn't always do this, sometimes plays with toys for long periods of time with excellent concentration.

'Dylans speech can still be quite hard to understand' - He only said about 3 words whilst she was there as he was a bit shy and had never met her before, a lot of his words are clear as a bell and he is only 20 months!

'I have suggested that they should intrude on his wheel spinning and try to encourage some more imaginative play and show him how to brmm a truck or a car' - He likes to spin wheels but it's not the only thing he does and he can 'brmm a car' if he likes, he plays with allsorts, why would I purposely interrupt him doing something he enjoys all the time?

'I do think it's important that we continue to monitor his language development, social interaction and emerging imaginative play and refer to the Portage service in the autumn if this were needed' - I dont' feel there is any problem with any of this, he can say 40-50 words at least, interacts socially just fine and does engage in imaginative play (makes dolls dance, pretends to feed us, tries to ride the dog like a horse(poor thing), pretends to eat fake plastic food, cuddles teddies, pretends to talk on the phone etc etc).

I don't feel the SLT got a good idea of what he's like at all. This keeps happening, hcps see him for half an hour and assume he's a different child to the one we know. I don't want to be referred to someone else, i'm sick sick sick of appointments, I just want to enjoy raising my perfectly normal little boy without people picking and poking at him!

I don't want to see my HV again, she will drive me to despair, always does arrgghh!

Does anyone know if I can request to change HV's? I feel constantly undermined in my ability to be a parent and this affects my confidence, i'm sure it has contributed to my depression and in the early days affected my relationship with ds . I just want to be left alone to raise him. I dont' mind seeing the paed or dietician but all the other referrals seem over the top!

Thanks for getting this far, give me your oppinions good or bad.

Disclamer : I am hormonal and pregnant so I may be getting a little more wound up than usual but I wasn't pg in the past when she upset me. I felt like crying after she called yesteday as I thought 'here we go again'.

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gorionine · 11/07/2009 14:55

When are HV going to understand that babies come in all shapes and sizes?

You have been given a lot of good advice on this thread.

Sidge · 11/07/2009 14:58

YANBU to be upset by this HV but do bear in mind that, as irritating as she is, she is trying to do the best for you and your boy.

HVs, SALTs, paeds etc only get a snapshot of your child as they only see them occasionally and for a short period, usually when they are tired, hungry or hot and bothered! However they have to make decisions based on what they see in conjunction with what is reported by the parents, so often will err on the side of caution and refer onwards or follow up just a bit longer. As a HCP myself I would rather see a child and/or refer onwards just to be on the safe side rather than let it go and think 'I'm sure everything is fine' when I don't know that for sure. The things you have quoted in the letter from the SALT seem fairly reasonable to me, they aren't getting too carried away but are saying they will keep an eye on certain things and maybe act on them later if things aren't any different next time. Remember waiting lists can be immensely long so if he did need any input they have flagged it up now - I'm sure he won't need anything but at least they are being proactive.

You have no obligation to see a HV at all, especially if you are already seeing other HCPs, so practice being more assertive and say "thank you but I feel that so-and-so is already covering that for us". HVs often work in teams covering groups of practices so changing GPs may not make any difference at all.

thumbwitch · 11/07/2009 15:05

Your HV sounds a tad overzealous to say the least!

BUT (and I appreciate this might not help you) it IS a good thing that they are looking out for your son, even though they are going over the top. It would be a lot worse the other way around - if he actually had something wrong and they kept fobbing you off and ignoring it.

However, I agree that you might be better off with a new set of HCPs who can see your DS without the Background of what they think they know.

Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 15:14

sidge + thumbwich - I see your point and agree with it to a certain degree. I would rather they check him than miss something, of course I would. However, my problem is that when I am telling m hv I believe there is no problem and I don't agree/want him to be referred and she still does it I have a problem. I can't quite put my finger on it also but it is her whole attitude that stresses me out, very sort of serious/concerned/worried it always makes me doubt myself and think things must be a lot worse than I thought because she thinks so. I have spoken to other hv's who have amde me feel ok about the whole thing without fobbing me off or going over the top, I want to be seen by one of those!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 15:15

Forgot to add, my mil came with me to one appoitment with her and she was annoyed by her self rightous, 'I know your son better than you do' attitude so it's not just me imagining it...

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AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 15:21

if you have any energy at all left then i'd agree strongly that you should complain. both of mine were slow to gain weight, the LAST thing you need is someone stressing you out about it.

i do think you need to be more assertive wrt the other hcps. if they give you an appointment when you think he'd likely to be tired, rearrange it for a better time for you.

Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 15:26

It is the last thing I need aitch. I think it's difficult with the appointments as we're rather remote and appointments/clinics here are often only every few months so it's hard to change the times, I did it once but the appointment was delayed quite a while...

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 15:29

Off out for a bit, back this evening...

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bumpsoon · 11/07/2009 15:31

ask yourself this question ,how often is your ds ill ? how often do you have to take him to the drs? If its rarely then ignore this officious HV and get on with your life . Send your GP a letter thanking them kindly for all their interference help and suggest the Hv spends her time with a family who really are in need of her services because you arnt

MIAonline · 11/07/2009 15:43

You have had a lot to deal with. The professionals have done nothing to help you build up confidence in your own instincts and it sounds as though they have not worked in partnership with you, as DS's mum who quite clearly knows him best.

There has been some good advice on this thread. I would weigh up how much this has affected you, whether you feel able to be more assertive in the future and whether you can go with your own instinct more now that DS is older and put that against what you do next. The easiest thing would be to just decline further contact with the HV, but if you feel she will keep pestering you then make a complaint. In my area, changing doctors would not mean a change in HV as they are area, not surgery based.

You may find now that you feel happier that your DS is actually doing fine and you feel that there isn't a problem you will be more assertive saying to no to the HV. It sounds like she has played on your own worries and increased them.

Hope things settle down for you with this and you can enjoy your DS without all this additional stress

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 15:57

delayed it quite a while? but that's a good thing... remember?

you're no idiot, dalrymps, if you thought there was something wrong with your boy you'd be banging their doors down. i think your HV sounds appallingly manipulative, and perhaps now the time has come to say, as Soupdragon suggested, 'no thanks, the paed is dealing with us now'.

KleineMaus · 11/07/2009 20:27

I really sympathise with you here. I recently moved to a new town and the hv got in touch just because they see make a point of seeing new kids. DS was tired when she came to visit and really uncooperative and she insisted we come back to have him weighed properly. Then she decided he was underweight, and even though he looks fine and actually eats reasonably well, and I had explained to her that I was referred to the hospital myself as a child for being underweight (no such problems now!), she insisted we come back every month to have him weighed (he was 24 months at this point), and that we take him to the gp to have him checked out. The gp wasn't remotely interested and basically shrugged her shoulders and said, well he looks ok, and you're not very big. When I didn't go back to the hv to have him weighed because I thought it was a complete farce, she called me up to ask me to come. I only went one more time and saw someone different, who thought it wasn't worth it.
I'm pregnant again too and am dreading having to see this hv again. What makes it worse is that where I lived before I had a great hv.

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 20:32

i love the NHS and i admire the people (most of them) who work in it. but remember, they work for you. you pay their wages. don't let them push you around, assert yourself and tell them how things are going to be. nicely, of course, with great politeness, but firmly.

MollieO · 11/07/2009 20:41

My GP banned my HV from seeing me as he was sick of her calls to him after every visit. Instead I saw him (he is also a paediatric registrar at the local hospital). We were seeing a paed consultant for on going health issues and the HV had never dealt with a child like ds before - no long term health issues but a prem with poor weight gain and lots of problems in the first 4 years. Ds started off on the 50th centile and was off the bottom of the chart for a long time. He is a fit and healthy 5 yr old now.

One memorable visit she accused me of starving ds and I thought she was going to call social services when I asked her at what age would his stopping breathing episodes stop (related to him being prem). My GP was fab and said that too many HVs were interested in cups of tea and chats than doing anything child related. At least where we live. He also said that none of them ever spent any time on the children's ward at the hospital and were pretty clueless. Out of all the HVs I met I only met one whom I'd rate.

Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 21:22

Sorry have been away for so long...

bumpsoon - not ill that often, certainly no more often than other lo's his age. He has colds now and again but seems to get over them quicker than me!

MIAonline - I would say that now he is older am I am sure that he's ok as opposed to being unsure when he was younger I will find it easier to be assertive about it now. It was all new to me when he was little, I thought everyone got them weighed once a week and noone told me any different. I didn't know how things were supposed to go.

Aitch - Thats it exactly, if I really thought there was a problem i'd not stop until it was sorted. As I said, I have spent many hours researching anything and everything that could be wrong with him, i'm not just blindly saying 'he's ok', I know he's ok.

Kleinmaus - You have reminded me actually, I was a new person in the area when I had ds. Moved here when I was 5 months pg with him. The hv made a big deal of trying to get me 'making friends' etc. Maybe this is partly why she is always hounding me? Maybe i'm still the new person who needs extra support? I'm sorry you've had a simlar experience. Maybe you could request to change hv for the next lo, would save you a lot of stress by the sound of it!

MollieO - I wish my gp would ban my hv from seeing me! Would be a dream come true. Intersting what you say about being accused of starving your lo, I felt like this was suggested to me in subtle ways many times whilst I was being questioned on what he ate. Believe me, if he'd eat a load of food i'd have him eating it by the bucket load! The only way he would ever eat more than he does is if I force fed him it (obviously not an option) other than that I can encourange him and relax but not much else I can do really!

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AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 21:29

oh just tell her to fuck off.

Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 21:41

LOL

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Quattrocento · 11/07/2009 21:44

I don't think Aitch was joking about the message - although she'd probably say it nicely.

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 21:45

yes, i'd spell it phuq but she'd soon get the gist. seriously, tell her to beat it, she's a drag.

Quattrocento · 11/07/2009 21:48

Actually, now I'm wondering something, which might be the root issue. Which is why haven't you put a stop to all this nonsense before now? Genuine question.

Kayteee · 11/07/2009 21:49

Sorry if this has been said before, haven't time to read all replies. You don't HAVE to have a HV at all if you don't want to.

A polite "thanks but if I need any help I will call YOU" is all you need to say.

They are not the bloody police.

(not at you but the HV)

DesperateHousewifeToo · 11/07/2009 21:58

I think the HV probably feels that she is being very supportive but does not realsie that she is in fact adding to any anxiety that you might have.

I would write her (the HV) a letter and copy it to all the other professionals involved. Tell her that you feel that your ds' needs are being monitored by so many people that you do not need to see her too - seems a waste of resources as there is overlap, or something (you could probably put it much better than that - or just write phuk off, of course).

I think lots of parents who have to take their children to many different appointments eventually find it all too much. Professionals like to help but often fail to appreciate that they can cause more stress by their demands!

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 22:09

i wouldn't write a letter, personally, they'll put it in your file. i never write anything down if i can help it. just say that the paed has told you that you're under their care and that is sufficient and let her sliiiiiiiide.

AitchTwoOh · 11/07/2009 22:10

i find a very useful phrase is the australian 'no no, you're alright'. it means nothing. but if she says 'when will you come in' just keep saying 'no, you're alright, thanks, we'll just stick with the paed.' uutterly meaningless but non-confrontational.

Yurtgirl · 11/07/2009 22:15

My first HV was AWFUL - I simply went to another gp and requested their HV instead but would remain with current gp. I went to my gp and told them I wished to remain as a patient but was going elsewhere for HV

I got a call from the local 'whatnot' asking for a reason (I just said "clash of personalities" I could have said the truth but chose not too) and that was it - job done

HTH - I hope you get this sorted out soon, it sounds like a load of stress you dont need

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