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To be pig sick of all these HCP's bothering me and looking for problems where there aren't any?! VERY LONG, EPIC IN FACT!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 11:37

DS has slow weight gain, he has been like this since 8 weeks old, he is now 20 months old. My HV has stressed me out about it in the early days to the point of despair. She even said after they pressured me in to putting him on formula that 'oh, we thought his poor weigh gain was to do with your breastfeeding but we can see now that he's the same on formula'. Yes, I told you I was breastfeeding him just fine but thanks for making me feel like I was starving him and that you were talking about me behind my back!

She wouldn't listen when I told her he is very high energy, just kept saying 'they're all like that'. She kept suggesting things to feed him but couldn't grasp the fact that he is very difficult to feed and only eats small amounts. She refered me to the paediatrician and had me worried there was something physically wrong with him. He has seen ds several times, done blood tests etc, says he's just a normal little boy but made small. He said he doesn't put on weight very quickly as high energy and doesn't eat massive amounts and that's just the way he is. He follows the bottom centile nicely.

It was only when I mentioned that he was difficult to feed to the paed that my HV suddenly tried to help with that. She came to 'observe' him eat ad was no help what so ever, she then claimed that this was the second time she had seen him eat - not true at all!! I think she was worried she would get in trouble for not trying to help earlier... She kept saying 'oh I saw him feed a while ago didn't I?' when she called me and I was thinking 'have you???!'

She then refered him to a program called 'moving pictures' as recommended by the paed to see if they could help. The lady came and filmed ds eating. The program is a group of psycholigists that deal with children who have behavoural problems. She reported back that we are doing nothing wrong at all and that he's just not got a great interest in food. She said to just be relaxed and encourage him to play with and experience the food etc and just said it will take time and progress will be slow. She added that she didn't really need to have seen him as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and usually they work with parents who have problems but we don't.

The HV also referred him to the physiotherapist at 11 months as he was commando crawling but not 'proper' crawling. I said I had no concerns about this as he had been a little slow with milestones but not exessively and I could see that he was making steady progress. She still insisted on referring me anyway .

So then I had to attend a string of appointments with the physio at 9am each time only to be told he was fine. Still had to go and see her though as now that i'd been referred she had to see him till he was walking. He walked at the age of 15 months, hardly 'late'.

I was also referred to the dietician, I explained to her he eats small amounts, she advised on high calorie foods and put him on high calorie milk which he's still on now.

I was also referred to a speech and language therapist to see if he had a physical difficulty with eating. Again, I didn't think he had. When the SLT came to see him the first time she said my HV had written to her telling her my ds gags, chokes and goes blue when eating . She also said she was told he had very frequent hiccups. To explain this I said he had gagged 'a few times in the very early days of weaning' which baby doesn't? The going blue thing was because she thought he looked a little blue on his top lip on one occasion when she visited, yes, i'm aware babies get this if they have a little trapped wind but theres a difference between that and 'going blue' everytime he eats. The hiccups were also observed on one occasion on one visit. I told her he gets hiccups 'now and again', not 'very frequently'. I feel like she exagerates everything and is constantly looking for problems with my ds.

At his year check she was not flexible at all on her 'marking' of him on her lists and made him out to be a lot less capable than he actually is. For instance she wanted to know if he would get the 'ball' if asked. Well, we hadn't taught him the word 'ball' by then so no he wouldn't. BUT if she had asked him to get the 'cat' he would have done it no problem. She didn't write down that he can fetch things on request though cause 'get the cat' wasn't on her list. She was just very pessamistic about his abilities and I felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall as I kept explaining he can do this this and this but she was like 'oh but can he do it exactly like this'. Bascially it made him look like a different child on paper. She also made out he had a weak left hand just because he wasn't keeping hold of a crayon with it when she handed it to him. He just didn't want to play with it! The physio checked this, nothing was wrong with his hand. So, another thing for me to worry about for no reason!

I stopped taking him to her at the clinic to get him weight when I was referred to the dietitcian and paed as they weighed him every few months and were a lot more optomistic about his weight gain.

When he was younger, she had me getting him weighed every week until he was 20 weeks old, then every 2 weeks till he was 50 weeks old! Every single weigh in caused me stress as she would pull her face and say 'only 4oz' or whatever the gain would be. I would then get questioned again about what he was eating, I dreaded it each week. I spend hours googling and posting on MN to find out what could be wrong with him as she had me so worried with her pessamistic attitute and constant referrals.

I went to see the doctor during all this and broke down and was put on ADs and sent for counselling. I am feeling a lot better about the whole thing now. I am no longer depressed and am off the AD's.

I am at the point now where I can see ds is small but perfectly formed and we just relax as much as we can about food. We encourage him to explore his food and he is slowly making progress. The paediatrician is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2 (last saw him at 18mo). He still see's the dietician as she is in charge of his high cal milk. In every other way we feel he's a perfectly normal little boy.

Sorry this is so long. I haven't seen the hv since his year check and didn't want to see her. She always stresses me so I made the decision not to get him weighed by her. As I said before he just gets weighed every 2/3 months by the dietician or paed which is quite frequent enough.

Anyway, last week he had a check up with the SLT just to see how he is getting on. She was happy with him regarding the food and said to just relax, make food fun, try food role play games etc.

What I am not happy about is her interpretation of him in other ways and also my HV (again). I recieved a phone call from my HV yesterday out of the blue (as I said, haven't seen her for 8 months). She said she had recieved the letter reporting back about Ds from the SLT and had I recieved my copy. I said no I haven't recieved it yet (and therefore had no idea what it said). She said that the letter said we should 'continue to monitor his weight', I swear this woman is obsessed with weighing him. I said 'well we are, he gets weighed by the dietician and paed', she said 'oh cause I noticed you hadn't got him weighed at the clinic for a while' I said 'yes, there's not been a big enough gap for me to need to plus I prefer to get him weighed by the paed/dietician'. The she said 'oh the letter says i would be a good idea to have him go to creche for a dinner time each week to see if eating with other children would help' I said 'yes that was suggested, I haven't had time to look in to it yet'. She was then like 'I can phone up about it for you if you like, would you be willing to pay for that every week' (I don't want her to phone for me particularily, I am an adult and can do it myself). Anyway, I felt a bit arkward so I just said 'yes if you like but it depends on the cost'. Then she mentioned a help with costs form and arranged to come round next week (great!) to fill it in with me etc

Anyway I recieved the letter she was referring to this morning. At no point in it does it say the words 'we should continue to monitor his weight' and certainly doesn't mention the hv doing it. It is worded in a way that assumes he gets weighed already and that we should seek help if his weight drops or he becomes pail or lethargic. This is unlikely however as he has so much excess energy it's unreal and I would never describe him as lethargic. But, if this did ever happen it would be picked up by the paed/dietician anyway as they weigh him...

Another thing in the letter is that it doesn't suggest him going to creche every week. It suggests to try him with 1 session to see if eating around lots of other children would be beneficial to him. So again she has exagerrated and I didn't know as I hadn't recieved the letter yet.

Another thing that has stressed me about the letter is the way the SLT has reported about Ds and how he is generally. She saw him for half an hour when he was tired and due a nap, has never seen him before.

She said things such as:

'Dylan has a very limited attention span' - He was tired and is only 20 months! What does she expect?

'Dylan continues to cast toys such as out of the box rather than continue to play with them for any length of time' - Again, he was tired, doesn't always do this, sometimes plays with toys for long periods of time with excellent concentration.

'Dylans speech can still be quite hard to understand' - He only said about 3 words whilst she was there as he was a bit shy and had never met her before, a lot of his words are clear as a bell and he is only 20 months!

'I have suggested that they should intrude on his wheel spinning and try to encourage some more imaginative play and show him how to brmm a truck or a car' - He likes to spin wheels but it's not the only thing he does and he can 'brmm a car' if he likes, he plays with allsorts, why would I purposely interrupt him doing something he enjoys all the time?

'I do think it's important that we continue to monitor his language development, social interaction and emerging imaginative play and refer to the Portage service in the autumn if this were needed' - I dont' feel there is any problem with any of this, he can say 40-50 words at least, interacts socially just fine and does engage in imaginative play (makes dolls dance, pretends to feed us, tries to ride the dog like a horse(poor thing), pretends to eat fake plastic food, cuddles teddies, pretends to talk on the phone etc etc).

I don't feel the SLT got a good idea of what he's like at all. This keeps happening, hcps see him for half an hour and assume he's a different child to the one we know. I don't want to be referred to someone else, i'm sick sick sick of appointments, I just want to enjoy raising my perfectly normal little boy without people picking and poking at him!

I don't want to see my HV again, she will drive me to despair, always does arrgghh!

Does anyone know if I can request to change HV's? I feel constantly undermined in my ability to be a parent and this affects my confidence, i'm sure it has contributed to my depression and in the early days affected my relationship with ds . I just want to be left alone to raise him. I dont' mind seeing the paed or dietician but all the other referrals seem over the top!

Thanks for getting this far, give me your oppinions good or bad.

Disclamer : I am hormonal and pregnant so I may be getting a little more wound up than usual but I wasn't pg in the past when she upset me. I felt like crying after she called yesteday as I thought 'here we go again'.

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muppetgirl · 13/07/2009 08:45

just read your 8.15 post and Henry can't do a lot of that!!

muppetgirl · 13/07/2009 08:46

Oh good god my 5 year old has a short attention span... until he finds something he's interested in and then he can be hours at an activity!!!!

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 09:05

Thanks for all the supportive comments.

Muppet - It is realy stressing me, thought i'd got away from the hv and that the referrals were winding down so to speak but she's sticking her nose in again.

I have taken the first step today, I called the hv and no one answered so I left a message stating I wanted to cancel wed's appointment as I have now recieved the SLT letter she was referring to when she called. I said the letter states to try him at the creche once to see if it will be beneficial at all, I said as it's just an initial visit i'll arrange it myself and don't feel I need financial help with it so no need to see her. Thanked her for her 'help' anyway...

She might call back when she listens to the message but she'll just get the same said to her again. It's my way or the highway now, i've had enough!

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Poshpaws · 13/07/2009 09:14

Well done Darylmps.

Having been in the system for 2 years, making yourself heard is the only way to get things moving.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 09:49

For f*cks sake! She just called whilst I was giving Dylan his milk so I couldn't answer. She let a message saying... Thanks for calling, just to let you know the nursery have offered ds a place over lunchtime, the reason they have offered him this place is because I have called them. I need to fill in some forms for them so I will still aim to come round on wed at 2.30 to fill in the forms with you unless you ring to say otherwise then we'll do it another time.

What? I called to cancel wed's appointment and clearly stated my reason, now suddenly he's got a place ay nursery? What? I'm not even sure I want him to go to nursery! I was willing to try one session to see if he liked it and then make my decision from there. Stressed.

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BalloonSlayer · 13/07/2009 10:03

What about phoning back when you know she won't be there, to leave a message which says "Re your message of yesterday, can I refer you back to my previous message to you cancelling your visit and letting you know that I wish to arrange his nursery place myself - if that is the course of action I decide to take. Thank you."

mummysaurus · 13/07/2009 10:10

Poor you. phone and say you will deal with nursery. Say that there is no need to help with forms and that you will be in touch with her if you need help again and that you already feel very supported by the other professionals involved.

I read the other posts and you sound lovely and a very intelligent and switched on mum.

I agreed that it is just best to let things slide rather than actively complain but she sounds persistant and stalkerish. It sounds like she has decided there is a problem with ds that you are not dealing with and she will now interpret all your behaviour in this light. (from your posts I dont think this is true btw as you are continuing to see other health pros)

Can you try a month or two of polite but firm refusals and evasions of her help? If that doesn't work you really will have to write and complain I'm afraid.
don't be afraid to call up this nursery and tell them that the health visitor got her wires crossed after all the letter backs up your side of the story.

good luck. it seems horrible now but with a little bit of assertive behaviour on your part will get her out of your life I promise

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 10:23

Crying now, too scared to call her back

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mummysaurus · 13/07/2009 10:26

no need to be scared. have a cup of tea, call your dh and ring when ready

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 10:34

Thanks, stopped cryin now (the pg hormines don't help). Called round to try and get the number for the HV manager but not got it yet. They advised to call my gp's or the clinic, i'm worried she'll answer if I call the clinic so might try the docs first.

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AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 10:34

oh ffs she's a massive pain in the arse.

now.

pull yourself together.

stop crying. this is for your son, you have to get rid of her.

call her back now and say that you'd left a message cancelling Wednesday, that you know that she's only trying to help but that you want to deal with the nursery yourself. say that tbh you find her involvement stressful and you'd rather deal directly with the paed from now on. and then 'no, you're alright, no you're alright no you're alright' until she drops off the phone.

and then tbh i'd give some consideration to a complaint.

BalloonSlayer · 13/07/2009 10:39

BTW when I read what your DS can say . . . my DS2 is 2 months older than yours, and says no clear words at all. I have just referred him for speech therapy as like his big brother and sister he is a slow speaker; I know he will be referred at his 2 year check and I wanted it to come from me.

I am, however, confident that he has no problems at all. He "communicates" in all sorts of ways and is bright enough.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 10:50

I know she's a pain, I just get anxoius. I can't explain it, she's pushy in a way I don't notice and then somehow she's suddnely coming to see me?!

BallonSlayer - Exactly, a referral coming from yourself is perfectly fine, you know your ds best after all. I'm just sick of having things decided for me. Sure you know your ds is fine anyway, communication of any kind is good at this age

I'm sick of being such a bloody wimp, wish I could slap myself about the face. I get paralised by fear argh!

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Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 10:53

Fcking Wnkers, excuse my language!!! I just called the clinic and clearly said 'i'm wondering if you can give me the number of who is in charge of the HV's please? The receptionsit said 'I can't put you through to them' and then transfered me straight to MY HV!!! I had done a 141 on my number tso I just hung up. What the hell? Is my HV in charge of all the HVs? Confused?

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muppetgirl · 13/07/2009 10:56

Dal, can dh phone?

If not I would arrange to be out as I've a feeling she'll still come over. Leave a message on the answerphone after hours so you know she won't pick up telling her again 'thank you but no thank you' so you've done as much as you can. If not can you phone the main Drs switchboard and leave a message for her so you have proof that you have cancelled the app, going by her not entirely telling the truth I would trust her an inch..

JoesMummy09 · 13/07/2009 11:01

Dalrymps I have read your post and about half the replies - some good advice I think.

Agree the HV sounds toxic. She's just not listening to you.

I'm going to look up the number for your PCT.

Be strong - you are his mum and know best

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 11:03

Muppet, tried to call dh but he's busy at work and can't answer, he might be able to call at lunchtime...

I called my pct and they just told me to call the clinic to get the HV manager number, then the clinic put me through to her argh!

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JoesMummy09 · 13/07/2009 11:04

Northumberland Care Trust
Merley Croft, Loansdean, Morpeth, Northumberland, NE61 2DL
Tel: 01670 394 400

I got this from NHS search link.

Good luck

giveloveachance · 13/07/2009 11:04

this sort of over enthusiastic 'help' makes my blood boil!!!!

Change your HV as soon as you can. Complain about her. She is adding unnecessary stress to you and your child.

As CJmommy said, get your paediatrician on board and your GP.

as a mum to a very healthy but slight dd I was often spitting teeth at different hv would would say she was under weight - yes under the middle average percentile, but happily following the next one down, growing steadily.

I think what people think is average growth these days, is actually quite big, my dd snacks rather than eats big meals and is on the go all day. She eats when she is hungry and refuses when she is not - that's healthy in my book, and it sounds like your little one is too!

good luck.

still seething on your behalf!!!

Northernlurker · 13/07/2009 11:05

Dalrymps - STOP trying to speak to her direct. You are getting nowhere and every attempt you make to extricate yourself is only going to reinforce her impression that there is something wrong and that you are trying to evade her help.

Make an appointment with your GP today and ask them to look at your son then help you sort this out. She isn't going to back off because you ask her to.

mummysaurus · 13/07/2009 11:07

her boss was probably out so she picked up the phone for her/him i expect

If you can't face talking to her at the moment then leave a message out of hours and arrange to be out at the time she is due. rehearse what you will say if she phones again. like the idea of repeating you're alright at her. likewise my trick with salespeople and the like is to say "I'd like to talk this over with my husband -can you send me a leaflet, letter about it and i'll call you back if we decide to go ahead (and then I never call).

This a) gets them off your back and b) gives them work to do so slows them down a bit and c) ensures you never get railroaded into a decision you later regret when you have more info/time to consider.

please don't build her up to be a powerful monster you need to be scared of- she is just an irritating woman who isn't doing her job very well

giveloveachance · 13/07/2009 11:09

oh, by the way, the hiccup thing - read that it was perfectly normal, and frequent hiccups often mean a growth spurt in in progress. Its been true of my little one.

as for the nursery - how dare she? If you want to take your ds it is up to you to decide and to choose, she is way out of line but you know that anyway.

Stand your ground, no more tears, stay calm!

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 11:11

Northern - I have considered speaking to my gp about it... She was totally unconcerned about ds when she last saw him.

giveloveachance - I know, from the outside it sounds like she's being 'helpfull' but she's not, she's strssing me out and making me feel I have no control over what happens to my son

Yes like your lo, my son eats when he wants but he is healthy and thats what matters, he is also on the go a lot!

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JoesMummy09 · 13/07/2009 11:13

Sorry x-posts. Have you tried the practice manager at the GPs?

Receptionist pos has same ear complaint as HV...

I somehow ended up in a special support class because HV decided I did not have enough family living nearby (WTF!) I felt very awkward as everyone elses' babies had loads of problems and I felt guilty and unsupportive that my baby was relatively easy and I was probably depriving someone who needed the help from getting it.

Luckily I did not take it too seriously and I have a different HV now but I can empathise with you.

It should be easy to raise concerns about HVs without worrying about reprisals. The system needs to be better.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 11:16

joesmummy - thanks, thats a different number to the one I had. Tried it but no answer as yet. Will try it again in a bit.

Didn't know that about hiccups, intersting

I guess I am building her up in my head a bit. It's just whenever I speak to her she seems to get her own way somehow ans it makes me feel powerless.

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