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To be pig sick of all these HCP's bothering me and looking for problems where there aren't any?! VERY LONG, EPIC IN FACT!

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Dalrymps · 11/07/2009 11:37

DS has slow weight gain, he has been like this since 8 weeks old, he is now 20 months old. My HV has stressed me out about it in the early days to the point of despair. She even said after they pressured me in to putting him on formula that 'oh, we thought his poor weigh gain was to do with your breastfeeding but we can see now that he's the same on formula'. Yes, I told you I was breastfeeding him just fine but thanks for making me feel like I was starving him and that you were talking about me behind my back!

She wouldn't listen when I told her he is very high energy, just kept saying 'they're all like that'. She kept suggesting things to feed him but couldn't grasp the fact that he is very difficult to feed and only eats small amounts. She refered me to the paediatrician and had me worried there was something physically wrong with him. He has seen ds several times, done blood tests etc, says he's just a normal little boy but made small. He said he doesn't put on weight very quickly as high energy and doesn't eat massive amounts and that's just the way he is. He follows the bottom centile nicely.

It was only when I mentioned that he was difficult to feed to the paed that my HV suddenly tried to help with that. She came to 'observe' him eat ad was no help what so ever, she then claimed that this was the second time she had seen him eat - not true at all!! I think she was worried she would get in trouble for not trying to help earlier... She kept saying 'oh I saw him feed a while ago didn't I?' when she called me and I was thinking 'have you???!'

She then refered him to a program called 'moving pictures' as recommended by the paed to see if they could help. The lady came and filmed ds eating. The program is a group of psycholigists that deal with children who have behavoural problems. She reported back that we are doing nothing wrong at all and that he's just not got a great interest in food. She said to just be relaxed and encourage him to play with and experience the food etc and just said it will take time and progress will be slow. She added that she didn't really need to have seen him as he doesn't have a behavoural problem and usually they work with parents who have problems but we don't.

The HV also referred him to the physiotherapist at 11 months as he was commando crawling but not 'proper' crawling. I said I had no concerns about this as he had been a little slow with milestones but not exessively and I could see that he was making steady progress. She still insisted on referring me anyway .

So then I had to attend a string of appointments with the physio at 9am each time only to be told he was fine. Still had to go and see her though as now that i'd been referred she had to see him till he was walking. He walked at the age of 15 months, hardly 'late'.

I was also referred to the dietician, I explained to her he eats small amounts, she advised on high calorie foods and put him on high calorie milk which he's still on now.

I was also referred to a speech and language therapist to see if he had a physical difficulty with eating. Again, I didn't think he had. When the SLT came to see him the first time she said my HV had written to her telling her my ds gags, chokes and goes blue when eating . She also said she was told he had very frequent hiccups. To explain this I said he had gagged 'a few times in the very early days of weaning' which baby doesn't? The going blue thing was because she thought he looked a little blue on his top lip on one occasion when she visited, yes, i'm aware babies get this if they have a little trapped wind but theres a difference between that and 'going blue' everytime he eats. The hiccups were also observed on one occasion on one visit. I told her he gets hiccups 'now and again', not 'very frequently'. I feel like she exagerates everything and is constantly looking for problems with my ds.

At his year check she was not flexible at all on her 'marking' of him on her lists and made him out to be a lot less capable than he actually is. For instance she wanted to know if he would get the 'ball' if asked. Well, we hadn't taught him the word 'ball' by then so no he wouldn't. BUT if she had asked him to get the 'cat' he would have done it no problem. She didn't write down that he can fetch things on request though cause 'get the cat' wasn't on her list. She was just very pessamistic about his abilities and I felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall as I kept explaining he can do this this and this but she was like 'oh but can he do it exactly like this'. Bascially it made him look like a different child on paper. She also made out he had a weak left hand just because he wasn't keeping hold of a crayon with it when she handed it to him. He just didn't want to play with it! The physio checked this, nothing was wrong with his hand. So, another thing for me to worry about for no reason!

I stopped taking him to her at the clinic to get him weight when I was referred to the dietitcian and paed as they weighed him every few months and were a lot more optomistic about his weight gain.

When he was younger, she had me getting him weighed every week until he was 20 weeks old, then every 2 weeks till he was 50 weeks old! Every single weigh in caused me stress as she would pull her face and say 'only 4oz' or whatever the gain would be. I would then get questioned again about what he was eating, I dreaded it each week. I spend hours googling and posting on MN to find out what could be wrong with him as she had me so worried with her pessamistic attitute and constant referrals.

I went to see the doctor during all this and broke down and was put on ADs and sent for counselling. I am feeling a lot better about the whole thing now. I am no longer depressed and am off the AD's.

I am at the point now where I can see ds is small but perfectly formed and we just relax as much as we can about food. We encourage him to explore his food and he is slowly making progress. The paediatrician is happy with him and doesn't want to see him till he's 2 (last saw him at 18mo). He still see's the dietician as she is in charge of his high cal milk. In every other way we feel he's a perfectly normal little boy.

Sorry this is so long. I haven't seen the hv since his year check and didn't want to see her. She always stresses me so I made the decision not to get him weighed by her. As I said before he just gets weighed every 2/3 months by the dietician or paed which is quite frequent enough.

Anyway, last week he had a check up with the SLT just to see how he is getting on. She was happy with him regarding the food and said to just relax, make food fun, try food role play games etc.

What I am not happy about is her interpretation of him in other ways and also my HV (again). I recieved a phone call from my HV yesterday out of the blue (as I said, haven't seen her for 8 months). She said she had recieved the letter reporting back about Ds from the SLT and had I recieved my copy. I said no I haven't recieved it yet (and therefore had no idea what it said). She said that the letter said we should 'continue to monitor his weight', I swear this woman is obsessed with weighing him. I said 'well we are, he gets weighed by the dietician and paed', she said 'oh cause I noticed you hadn't got him weighed at the clinic for a while' I said 'yes, there's not been a big enough gap for me to need to plus I prefer to get him weighed by the paed/dietician'. The she said 'oh the letter says i would be a good idea to have him go to creche for a dinner time each week to see if eating with other children would help' I said 'yes that was suggested, I haven't had time to look in to it yet'. She was then like 'I can phone up about it for you if you like, would you be willing to pay for that every week' (I don't want her to phone for me particularily, I am an adult and can do it myself). Anyway, I felt a bit arkward so I just said 'yes if you like but it depends on the cost'. Then she mentioned a help with costs form and arranged to come round next week (great!) to fill it in with me etc

Anyway I recieved the letter she was referring to this morning. At no point in it does it say the words 'we should continue to monitor his weight' and certainly doesn't mention the hv doing it. It is worded in a way that assumes he gets weighed already and that we should seek help if his weight drops or he becomes pail or lethargic. This is unlikely however as he has so much excess energy it's unreal and I would never describe him as lethargic. But, if this did ever happen it would be picked up by the paed/dietician anyway as they weigh him...

Another thing in the letter is that it doesn't suggest him going to creche every week. It suggests to try him with 1 session to see if eating around lots of other children would be beneficial to him. So again she has exagerrated and I didn't know as I hadn't recieved the letter yet.

Another thing that has stressed me about the letter is the way the SLT has reported about Ds and how he is generally. She saw him for half an hour when he was tired and due a nap, has never seen him before.

She said things such as:

'Dylan has a very limited attention span' - He was tired and is only 20 months! What does she expect?

'Dylan continues to cast toys such as out of the box rather than continue to play with them for any length of time' - Again, he was tired, doesn't always do this, sometimes plays with toys for long periods of time with excellent concentration.

'Dylans speech can still be quite hard to understand' - He only said about 3 words whilst she was there as he was a bit shy and had never met her before, a lot of his words are clear as a bell and he is only 20 months!

'I have suggested that they should intrude on his wheel spinning and try to encourage some more imaginative play and show him how to brmm a truck or a car' - He likes to spin wheels but it's not the only thing he does and he can 'brmm a car' if he likes, he plays with allsorts, why would I purposely interrupt him doing something he enjoys all the time?

'I do think it's important that we continue to monitor his language development, social interaction and emerging imaginative play and refer to the Portage service in the autumn if this were needed' - I dont' feel there is any problem with any of this, he can say 40-50 words at least, interacts socially just fine and does engage in imaginative play (makes dolls dance, pretends to feed us, tries to ride the dog like a horse(poor thing), pretends to eat fake plastic food, cuddles teddies, pretends to talk on the phone etc etc).

I don't feel the SLT got a good idea of what he's like at all. This keeps happening, hcps see him for half an hour and assume he's a different child to the one we know. I don't want to be referred to someone else, i'm sick sick sick of appointments, I just want to enjoy raising my perfectly normal little boy without people picking and poking at him!

I don't want to see my HV again, she will drive me to despair, always does arrgghh!

Does anyone know if I can request to change HV's? I feel constantly undermined in my ability to be a parent and this affects my confidence, i'm sure it has contributed to my depression and in the early days affected my relationship with ds . I just want to be left alone to raise him. I dont' mind seeing the paed or dietician but all the other referrals seem over the top!

Thanks for getting this far, give me your oppinions good or bad.

Disclamer : I am hormonal and pregnant so I may be getting a little more wound up than usual but I wasn't pg in the past when she upset me. I felt like crying after she called yesteday as I thought 'here we go again'.

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MammyT · 13/07/2009 11:20

YANBU

This woman is a nightmare - I would seriously never allow her into my house or life again.

My also-small children are not big eaters but even though one of them had another health issue, everyone's attitude to weight gain was "relax until it's clear there's a problem".

Your son sounds bang on time in terms of milestones - some words, lot of energy etc etc.

I would just try to drop off her radar completely. Find a professional that you respect (for us it was a private consultant) and listen to them only. When his/her letters come back saying that everything is fine and on track, this woman will have to stop harrassing you.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 11:26

I just called PALS (patiet advice and liasion services) and sked for HV manager. The lady who covers my area is going to call me back. They're a confidential service that can help if you have a complaint about hcp in your area (I think!) so hope they cn help.

Dh just called, was annoyed and was saying 'how dare she decide ds is going to nursey for us'. Is going to try and get his lunch break early as poss to come and help me sort it.

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Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 12:14

Dh calling to try and find out the HV's boss. Has called gp's and now the clinic.

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BalloonSlayer · 13/07/2009 12:22

Ah bless 'im.

I love it when they get all manly and decide to join the fray!

However it will never cease to amaze me and piss me off that they [men] get results we never seem to be able to.

AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 12:29

good ol' dh.

"please don't build her up to be a powerful monster you need to be scared of- she is just an irritating woman who isn't doing her job very well."

that is worth committing to memory as a mantra, imo.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 12:30

I know! He's already got the name of the area manager for the HV without being transfered to her! Apparently she is the lead HV!!! The lady who gave him the info gave the impression this happens quite a lot and appeared to have to bite her lip when he mentioned which HV it was!

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mummysaurus · 13/07/2009 12:39

lol sounds like you're not alone. good for your dh

ScummyMummy · 13/07/2009 12:51

Yay for your dh. And you for getting the ball rolling. Hope you get things sorted. Have been following the thread and did wonder like chegirl whether the HV and SaLT were surruptitiously concerned about an ASD type of developmental delay. But it doesn't sound like they are barking up the right tree at all from what you've said about his development. Even if it was a potential issue there is no way this is a good way for the HV to handle it. There is just no excuse for you being made to feel this way and certainly not for people bulldozing you into taking nursery places you may not want or into attending millions of unnecessary appointments. Do hope you can extricate yourselves and the HV is given what for!

AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 12:55

and to think this has all been started off by slow weight gain... it's such a nightmare anyway, you'd think hcps would have developed better strategies for supporting people in this situation.

i must say, i do like my obstetrician's approach to treatment. he NEVER EVER treats on top of his last decision, without going back to first principles and taking all symptoms from the beginning again. as he says, if he's gone down a wrong road he doesn't want to keep going down it for the want of a couple of extra minutes' thinking time.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 13:00

Aitch, I feel like thats whats happening, every hcp looks for different problems and they keep going down roads that aren't relevant to why I was referred in the first place. His weight gain is under control through the dietician and the paed oversees this. Why all this other stuff?!

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AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 13:02

poor you, tell dh to get that hv to phuq. i think it's in thailand.

LeonieSoSleepy · 13/07/2009 13:03

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maria1665 · 13/07/2009 13:05

Regarding the 'must be more assertive comment' above - this is good advice, but is easier said that done.

I too was pulled this way and that by neurotic and bullying HV - the ones that purport to care are the hardest to get rid of.

That was for birth of DC1 - by the time DC2 came along, I was ready for them. HV's arrival after the departure of the visiting mid wife was greeted with a polite but firm 'we are absolutley fine, but I'll be in touch should there be any problems.'

But then, with birth of DD3 10 years on, I was taken in again by an HV with a thrush obsession. I nearly stopped BFing because she convinced me that I was reinfecting baby. Only when I discovered that she was notorious for 'diagnosing' thrush, did I go to the doctor, who wearily stated it was nappy rash, and asked which of the HVs I'd been seeing. HV concerned was 'moved on' about 6 weeks later - not sure whether this was related, but it was certainly a coincidence.

HVs are - with a few notable exceptions - dementors who suck away your confidence and faith in your own judgement. You've had a bad experience, despite this your baby is fine. You've got another one coming along - don't be fooled again.

They have no right to come into your house - act with confidence and assurance, and they will leave you alone. Good luck

AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 13:46

lol at dementors. this one is, that's for sure.

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 14:57

Hoorah! My dh got the name and number of her area manager. He tried to call but she was engaged then his lunch finished and he had to go. I managed to get through and explained the situation (albeit through a few hormonal tears). She was very understanding, she asked me if I wanted to make a complaint or whether i'd judt like her to take my comments on board and sit down with my hv and pass the comments on so she can consider it for the future. I said just to explain to hv that her approach doesn't suit me at all and makes me more stressed, not less. She then said she would contact another HV in my area and get Ds's records passed across. The HV she mentioned changing me to is really nice as far as I can remember. She said the new hv will get in touch to introduce herself

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muppetgirl · 13/07/2009 15:43

Fab news Dal!!

You took control and got a result. Power to you!!

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 15:50

Thanks muppet

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PipinJo · 13/07/2009 15:56

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JoesMummy09 · 13/07/2009 16:02

Well done!

You must be feeling so much better.

maria1665 · 13/07/2009 16:05

Victory! Good for you!

Dalrymps · 13/07/2009 16:11
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giveloveachance · 13/07/2009 17:29

FAB. WHAT A RELIEF FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH THE NEW HV.

CarGirl · 13/07/2009 17:33

Well done you

DesperateHousewifeToo · 13/07/2009 17:36

That is great news. Well done for doing something about it and not just continueing in the situation. Fantastic.

AitchTwoOh · 13/07/2009 18:14

hooray! (put in a sodding complaint )