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To think MIL being judgemental and over-bearing about DC's baptism.

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Rollergirl1 · 05/07/2009 22:55

DH and I are not religious. DH's parents are practising catholics and DH was heavily involved in the church until he was a teenager (was an alter boy). I was christened when young but haven't gone to church since i was little. We had a civil ceremony when we got married. DD is due to start school in Sep 2010 and I have started looking at local schools. The two best schools in our area by a mile are the two local catholic schools. So we are now getting DD (3) and DS (1) baptised. And we are getting them baptised at PIL's local church despite it being 200 miles away from where we live. The reason that we are doing this is because local churches expect you to go to church regularly before they will consider baptising. So this is purely down to laziness and convenience. MIL knows the exact reason we are doing this and knows that we are not religious. She is making a big deal of it, arranging marquee for after the ceremony and inviting all their side of the family, etc. And I am happy for her to do so because she is doing us a favour. One of the godparents (my best friend)is unable to make it as they have other plans for that date. I wouldn't dream of making her change them as she knows this is not a big thing for us and we are really only doing for reasons cited above. Also my Mum won't be able to make as she is having a knee replacement the week before and won't even be able to walk. And she is not religious and not catholic. And it is happening 200 miles away. But my MIL is now saying that if my best friend can't come than i should ask someone else to be the godparent and has firmly stated that she thinks my mum should be there. I'm now getting stressed as I really don't want to make a big deal of this as we are only doing for the reason of schools but then think am I being unreasonable as MIL doing us a favour by sorting this out for us?

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moondog · 05/07/2009 23:41

You sound thoroughly odious Roller.

Rollergirl1 · 05/07/2009 23:45

Moondog: Oh please. Sticks and stones is a bit peurile, no?

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moondog · 05/07/2009 23:46

You asked,I answered.

Enough said.

bigchris · 05/07/2009 23:48

honestly just call the whole thing off

your dcs are still little, enjoy them and worry about schools in a year's time

FAQinglovely · 05/07/2009 23:48

lol Moon - you always make me with your to-the-point posts - even thought I don't always agree with you (do on this occasion though).

moondog · 05/07/2009 23:49

No point beating around the bush eh FAQ,least of all on a YABU thread.

Rollergirl1 · 05/07/2009 23:51

I didn't ask (and don't care) what you thought of me, Dog.

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FAQinglovely · 05/07/2009 23:53

no she's a mooner not a dog .

Anyhow, totally hypocritical, and utterly bizarre to get your children baptised when you don't even believe it. You had the balls to have a civil wedding (presumably because you didn't want to make the vows to a God you don't believe in) but you're prepared to stand up in church and make more vows to a God you don't believe it. utterly bonkers

moondog · 05/07/2009 23:54

Why do you respond to my posts then Roller, if you don't care?

Clary · 05/07/2009 23:58

yeah moondog is deffo moon or moonie not Dog .

Agree with FAQ btw. Why are you doing this?

nooka · 05/07/2009 23:59

I am amazed that your PIL's priest is allowing you to do this, and I imagine it is only because they are in very good standing with the church that the rules have been bent. Usually parents have to attend catechism courses prior to christenings so that they understand the vows they will be taking on behalf of their child, and doing anything (even attending church regularly) outside of your own parish is really frowned upon.

So I think you have to recognize this is not just a party that your PIL have organized, but a very important religious ceremony, that to them and their priest is a very big deal. I imagine that they are doing it because they very much want their grandchildren to grown up Catholics and they hope that their son will return to the fold.

Now they have also accepted that your reasons are totally hypocritical, so I don't see them as white than white either, but I really think that it sounds as if you are pissing them around a bit.

Your mum not being there is understandable in the circumstances, but is anyone coming from your side of the family/your friends? If not I can totally see your MIL's upset. If your frind who you have asked to be a godparent can't be bothered to come then they won't be acting as a godparent in any case. A Godparent is not your best buddy, but a) needs to be a Catholic, and b) needs to make some fairly hefty vows on your children's behalf. I think you should choose someone else.

(NB I think what you are doing is totally crass. But then I am an ex-Catholic atheist with very religious parents who would love for my children to be Christened, and brought up in pretty much any faith).

Rollergirl1 · 05/07/2009 23:59

Just reigning you in a bit Dog, nothing more. You appear to have a habit of reading what you want.

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nooka · 06/07/2009 00:00

Oh, I forgot. YABVVU

ConnieComplaint · 06/07/2009 00:01

Because defense is the first form of attack...

I'm Catholic, Dh isn't... we got our children baptised.. I made the promises.. DH said his own little vow, where he promised ti support me in raising our children in faith.... and it has been easy so far, as both sets of Godparents are active church goers & on the weekends I may be working, they attend with my sister (a Godparent!).

We also got married in Church, again DH made vows to help me raise any children we may be blessed with as Catholic, and he does, to the best of his ability. He attends their school functions, he watches them take part in Children's Liturgy etc....

I think it isn't fair of you to perhaps Baptise them, then in future, when they are preparing for Confessions, Holy Communion, Confirmation, you won't have an active role to play & they may feel a little lost.

NoseyHelen · 06/07/2009 00:01

If it means nothing to you why do you care what happens on the day?

Your MIL must be so thrilled that her grandchildren are going to be welcomed into God's Church. Why upset her when you don't give a stuff anyway?

To be fair, I am biased. DH and I are practising Christians but cannot get our children into a church school because of all the competitive parents who discover their faith when their child hits 3 years.

QuintessentialShadow · 06/07/2009 00:02

NOt only are you a hypocrit, but I am surprised that the catholic church 200 miles away will do this baptism without a letter from the catholic priest at your local parish.

moondog · 06/07/2009 00:03

I'm quaking in my boots, Roller.

ConnieComplaint · 06/07/2009 00:04

To be fair, our children were christened 50 miles away in my home parish, by the same priest who married DH & I... our local one at the time refused as DH wasn't a practising Catholic.

QuintessentialShadow · 06/07/2009 00:04

Not only are you odious. You cant spell very well.

NoseyHelen · 06/07/2009 00:04

ConnieComplaint, I don't think the children will be the odd ones out when it comes to Confesson, Conformation etc. Where I live not many children are actually from catholic schools, they just have parents who play the system very well. They can all pretend together.

QuintessentialShadow · 06/07/2009 00:05

But I am admittedly off my head (or was it trolley) on red wine, so I shall go to bed.

Rollergirl1 · 06/07/2009 00:06

Nooka: All other 3 godparents will be there, 1 of which is a friend and 2 others family. My Dad will be there and my brother. Only my Mum not.

I totally recognise that this is a big deal for her. And so maybe think i will ask someone else to be godparent. But that in itself just seems a bit fake too. Just randomly asking someone based on who will be there.

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FAQinglovely · 06/07/2009 00:06

Connie - that's different IMO, you are bringing your children up as Catholics, and while your DH isn't a Catholic he is doing his best to support you to bring them up with those beliefs. and it was your home parish.

AnyFucker · 06/07/2009 00:06

rollergirl, I am frankly surprised that you didn't have the tiniest inkling that your thread may actually, if not ^offend*, at the the very least, really irritate people

what did you expect ?

total agreement that your hypocritical usage of the system, and also the goodwill and excitement of your MIL, is justified as long as you get your own way ?

nope

ConnieComplaint · 06/07/2009 00:07

I didn't mean they would feel left out, or odd ones out... I meant that they have a lot of homework to do at Catholic Schools regarding the Sacraments... I don't see how parents who don't 'believe in' the Church/God can help much.

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