ok...will try this again, aibu to be put off a school by the amount of children with SN?

[daftpunk]

posted this in education, (Pre-school, like the twit that i am).....my ds is due to start secondary school in 2 years so we're looking around already, i am a bit put off by a school with lots of SN children, as SN also means behaviour problems....i'm not sure if i am being unreasonable.

oh look it's another daftpunk thread

send him to a special school dp, that way you can be assured that at least half of the children will be able to sit still for longer than two minutes, as they will be in wheelchairs.

Ignorant cow.

Yes, I was being heavily sarcastic and was alluding (in my mind) to my sister's special school which had a very high proportion of children in wheelchairs.

My ds1 has AS and could be termed disruptive. He's not keen on sitting still either. However he is a bright, engaging, inquisitive little boy whose teacher finds him a joy to teach. daftpunk is a bigoted moron.

greensleeves...i'm not talking about medical conditions, you know that, i'm talking about "social problems"..i don't know what to call them...behaviour problems?...i thought behaviour problems were called special needs too?

daftpunk it doesnt suit you to be all bolshy and tough in your posts then play the uneducated/poor me card later on.

You must know you cant control what behaviour all the children in your child's school are going to exhibit. If your parenting is based on that you need to move on there are sadly, as you have exemplified, disruptive, rude people everywhere you go.

Daftpunk, now that lots of us have posted to enlighten you about inclusion and behavioural problems as opposed to SN or SEN have you realised that you are being unreasonable? Or are you going to carry on being pleading ignorance.

daftpunk, after the shocking insults you've bandied about against other posters, to now cry because you feel hated?..... But fwiw, I don't hate you. I feel pity for you. Because you obviously have issues and I don't think that rl is a nice place for you at all.

You come across as very educated, you certainly know your politics. So to plead ignorant on the differences between special needs and behavioural problems? I don't think so.

I have told you the difference between the two in two posts now. So either you've not read them, or you are still clinging onto this 'ignorant' tag in the hope of crawling out of this huge hole you've dug for yourself.

My last piece of advice to you would be, to apologise, ask for the thread to be deleted if you like, and start over again as a nicer person. Because I really don't think you are like this in rl, I do believe there is a very nice side to you, but for some reason you seem to think that you need to be offensive and controversial to make a name for yourself. You don't.

Daftpunk SN / Behaviour problems are not catching.... If you was talking about swine flu then I could understand.

Well said Rhubarb.

I added my thoughts to your other thread on this, which although provoking was not worded in such an obviously thoughtless and offensive way. It was also posted in a topic with much less traffic.
I think you are basically an attention seeking and needy individual who seems to thrive on conflict.

Most disappointing, most disappointing....

My local secondary (with low proportion of SN) would dearly welcome your dc. Of course, their priority is not whether the students can actually sit still for 2 minutes. They are more concerned that all these so-called NT oiks don't have knives on them, aren't smoking a joint in the loo, aren't making a little extra pinmoney by dealing in coke, aren't taking a role in the systematic abuse of immigrant students, nor forcing Year 8 girls to carry out sexual acts on Year 10s whilst being filmed, nor 'steaming' the local shops and petrol station at lunchtime. That's our good old community school.

That kind of thing scares me shitless. But you and I must have different priorities, dp.

Yes. you are, if you are concerned about the children and not the school. If you are concerned to know that the behaviour of all pupils, whether sn or not, will be managed appropriately so that it impacts as little as possible on the education of your child then no, that is not unreasonable.

The question is - will children be supported appropriately? If not, then it's not a good school.

Your child will benefit from being around people of all abilities and learning that there are a lot of different people in the world, and how to interact with people - all people.

I have 2 children with autism and I am trying to not be offended and to see your pov. FWIW, my boys are lovely people, very kind and caring and imo any child who knows them is better for it! [proud mum]. Yes they need support, but mainly to access the curriculum, not to manage their behaviour. And yes, they need help to focus, but they don't cause problems for other children, because they get that support.

Some of the most disruptive children I have known are those with no sn or sen. tbh, they are the ones you should be concerned about.

Find out about the school, find out how they operate.

and finally, please try to see that there are many kinds of sn and sn does not equal trouble.

YANBU

because us with kids with SN don't want kids who think they automatically ahve behavioural issues there anyway, they won't give our kids a fair chance.

Off you go now

Some kids ahve issues, some don't

DS1 does (and I was going to post for help butc an't now as they'll all thinik im trolling, ta then) ds2 and ds3 do not

Indeed ds3 is described as delightful in his reopotrt, ds2 as kind honest and lovely

wow springlamb you described really efficiently all the things that can go wrong in schools you are right that is the sort I worry about as well. I would be grateful for DS to learn kindness, tolerance and acceptance instead.

Totally with Rhubs on this one...dp pleading 'ignorance' and 'not wanting a fight' just makes me feel sick. It's bullshit of the worst kind.

Please stop feeding it people. She's loving the outrage imo.

FFS Hecate STOP being so damn reasonable!!!

Bad show woman

In fairness DP is the OP she can take it.

Daftpunk, i don't hate you either

i find a lot of your views, this view on SN /SEn and your views on other topics quite breathtakingly , staggeringly naive and insulting

i think you need to take on board what is being said

that if there is such an overwhelmingly negative response to your question and how you post, then perhaps you need to examine, not what you ask, per se, but how you ask it

you simply cannot lump all SN/ SEN as disruptive

and presume all NT Chidlren won't be disruptive.

you have also been on MN long enough to know what the contentious threads will be and what sort of postings will hurt/enrage/inflame people

don't play the poor me card , take it on the chin and ask yourself why everyone has roared at you, as it were

rhubarb.....don't know whether to laugh or cry at your post....but i agree, i know alot about certain subjects.....maybe i don't think before i post, maybe i'm just impulsive?.....i'm not trying to be anything on here, have had the oppotunity to be in a few "in crowds"...but not really my style....

i have been shocked at some of the replies on here, not sure why (i should be used to them)... but hey,...no one owes me anything, i don't owe anyone anything.

'the more people we are around with differences.. that being different from ourselves.. so cultures, skin colour, sn or not sn, imo the more tollerant (sp) we as a society will be.'

Everything listed is quite true.
That's what my lovely Year 9 nephew lives with everyday.
Thank God for ds's special needs! His school has two students who came from mainstream secondary, they are the nastiest kids in the school. Fights and verbal abuse were unheard of till this motley pair turned up.
But we're working on 'em....we don't discriminate.

hereidrawtheline, I agree with everything you say. I suppose the balance tips to "too many" (awful) SN children when, for example, the teacher can't address the needs of all the pupils but, as you say, if the system is working properly this will be resolved.

OP, YABU.

Haven't read thread. Think I can guess at its contents.

But in answer to the question - if you're concerned, make an appt with the Head and ask them about the special needs and how they make sure all the children's needs are catered for. And walk around and get the atmosphere. Much better than starting a fight on here.

And FWIW, DD1's (primary) school has a very high percentage of children with special educational needs, compared with the average for this County. And they are very good at treating the children as individuals and handling all sorts of needs. Which makes for a great school experience, as far as she is concerned.

I did teaching practice at a school (never actually did it after university) where the biggest problems were very low attendance, drugs and child prostitution.