ok...will try this again, aibu to be put off a school by the amount of children with SN?

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posted this in education, (Pre-school, like the twit that i am).....my ds is due to start secondary school in 2 years so we're looking around already, i am a bit put off by a school with lots of SN children, as SN also means behaviour problems....i'm not sure if i am being unreasonable.

100x- dp's raison d'etre is the wind up.

Peachy.... I grew up there and lived in a sweet shop...

Londonone and others, I've never said I was an expert. But fwiw neither did I say that they got f/t 1to1 TA support, I said they got TA support, I didn't say how much. That depends on the recommendation in the statement.

If your child has been diagnosed with a recognised condition, such as Downs Sydrome, then your child is entitled to a statement.

Therefore most children with SN are statemented. And will receive TA support. If that child is also prone to behavioural problems, the likelihood is that they will have a TA for longer.

If a child has behavioural issues alone, but no SN or any kind of learning difficulty, then that child is not entitled to a statement. They may have an IEP however.

This is from my experience of working in these areas.

But this is not an argument about the nitty gritty of who gets a statement and who doesn't. This is about the differences between Special Needs and Behavioural Problems. Because the two do not necessarily go hand in hand. Which is what some people seem to believe.

Thank you EPPP.

is immature, no?

Technically youa re only entitled to a statement if you can prove the school cannot meet your childs needs

It's a complex thing though Rhubs and applied differently in differnet LEA's

woldn't go on OFSTED DP, just read the one for DS3's old school- it was when he was there, we expressed grave concerns about safety- report says all sattemented children are happy and wellcared for and aprents are happy

Wuld PMSL bt might sob

Only two stsatemented kids in the school then so at elast 50% (me) were unhappy

Peachy: "However on MN SEN refers to kids with SLD- dyslexia, etc- whereas SN tends to have the ASD / CP / kids, usually those who receive DLA etc and are registered with disabilty."

Absolutely. I've used the term SN, NOT SEN. Different in my opinion.

Yes Peachy, sorry I should have said that I was talking about mainstream education. If your child has SN and is in mainstream education, then you can go through the process of getting a statement, because most mainstream schools cannot meet the needs of a child with SN alone. That child will need the lessons differentiating, or need special equipment, etc. So ime the children with SN in mainstream schooling are entitled to a statement.

I saw a young man of about 14 die on the pavement outside the school that was local to my home stabbed to death. (I was an adult and had not lived there for years by then)

The estate I grew up on had gangs, the west Indians hated the Indians who hated the Irish, who hated the Somalis and so on and so on, everyday someone was hurt, robbed, arrested, if you had two married parents you were the odd one out, ( I came from a one parent family ) there was always someone selling something knocked off, I lived there till I was 10, I had some great friends though , one of them had a drunk mother and an absent dad who made porn films, Takes all sorts, I could have ended up with a very different life and I know I am very lucky to have a lovely home in a safe place and good schools for my children.

To go back to the SN in school;s, I would be really sad if someone was put off of DS1s school because of him.

DP see the people not the label, although I do understand some of your fears , as I said in my first post on this thread, we were worried that a school with a large amount of SN children might not have the amount of LSAs needed, so I can see your point a bit

With regards to Special Educational Needs...if your child has a SEN, even if it is diagnosed, you will probably not get a statement unless your child is declared to be 5 years' educationally behind his peers.
So my ds, who has a diagnosis of specfic learning difficulties (aka dyslexia) has not got a statement because he is 'only' 4 years' behind his peers in writing and spelling.

No behavioural problems though. Unlike several of his 'normal' ability classroom peers, who have been excluded for bullying...

I'd have loved a statement tbh, as this would have meant he got his first choice ins econdry school. Instead of his third..

most children with SEN are not statemented, to say the opposite is a very sweeping statement - my son has several recognised conditions and had no statement(not through lack of trying) but has no behavioural issues whatsoever.

no one is "entitled" to a statement. a statement of SEN is given to address the childs needs in school regardless of whether a dx has been made or not.

and this is still a daft thread.

Kimi, the school HAS to provide for those children. If a child has a statement that says they need 5 hours a day of TA support, then the school have a duty to provide that.

They also have to ensure that they have sufficient general TAs. If they don't, you can complain, because that's what they get their funding for.

However, if you have a NT child who shouldn't need extra support, then you've no worries. I don't see how children with SN would disrupt their learning at all.

bloody hell how fast does this place move! my post was in response to rhubarb...and wasnt meant to sound so testy! sorry about that!

pickyvic - I've already said that I am talking about children with SN and not SEN.

The reason I haven't mentioned SEN is because the OP particularly had a go at children with SN. And since they are the ones I work with, I stuck my oar in!

SEN covers a broad range of things and I agree that you are not necessarily entitled to a statement if you child has SEN.

sorry x -posted with others....

DP, you sometimes complain that people on here hate you, but you do seem to go out of your way to court people's disapproval.

I just don't get you. You can be lovely and funny and chatty and pleasant then pull a stunt like this!
Crass only works on here when combined with humour, ime.

I think she's basically a nice person, but thrives on attention, even if it is negative attention. Which is why I have pity for her.

100x- don't think maturity comes into it tbh- she just thrives on the hoohah.
Thing is she isn't ignorant nor unintelligent... just likes a ruck.

sorry rhubarb...

whats the difference tho between the two? my lad has AS and i thought that was both a SN and a SEN? he couldnt get a statement for love nor bloody money!

im just looking into suing our LEA for not recognising his AS as a SEN and for completely missing moderate dyslexia. he has left school now and is doing A level but still is classed as SN.

wow- 3 x-posts with essentially the same thought!

that's a shame rhubarb.

Do you thik she was deprived of attention as a child?
Do you think she needs a huuuuug? {{{{{{}}}}}}}

Rhubarb I know DS1 has a statement and has help, however he now has to share LSAs instead of having one to himself, seems that one LSA can have up to 3 children in a class at any one time.

Special Needs - a diagnosed condition, quite severe, such as CP or Downs.

Special Educational Needs - for milder conditions, such as Aspergers (seen as the milder form of Autism, not that this helps you much) or dyslexia. These children tend to have an IEP but they may not get a statement because it's deemed that their needs are not great enough.

molly - don't think it's legal for an LEA to set a blanket criteria like 5 year behind - might be worth talking to Ipsea or SOS!SEN if you want to look further into statementing.

Dp why do you not write longer posts, why only the odd one or two liner? Its like you cannot even put in the effort to explain yourself properly, even though other posters are doing.