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Original poster

ok...will try this again, aibu to be put off a school by the amount of children with SN?

658 replies

daftpunk · 22/06/2009 14:14

posted this in education, (Pre-school, like the twit that i am).....my ds is due to start secondary school in 2 years so we're looking around already, i am a bit put off by a school with lots of SN children, as SN also means behaviour problems....i'm not sure if i am being unreasonable.

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Rhubarb · 22/06/2009 19:49

Kimi - see if you can get hold of his statement. If it recommends that he has a TA for a certain amount of time, then you should complain and fight for the amount of care your ds has been allocated. I know funding can be tight for schools, but children shouldn't have to share LSAs.

I'm 1to1 with a boy, but my priority is to try and get him to be independent. So to that extent I can wander around the class and offer additional help. However he is my first priority, that is what I'm being paid for.

Kimi · 22/06/2009 19:52

Thanks rub, I have a meeting with the school next week as it happens, every year they review it.

He had one to one in primary school but now he shares with some others and in some classes he has no one.

Kimi · 22/06/2009 19:53

Rhubarb even stupid dinner needing to be cooked as I type

mollyroger · 22/06/2009 19:55

That's just what i was told, when ds was younger but perhaps it differs from lea to lea...course, it could have been the school trying to shut me up, as usual

Rindercella · 22/06/2009 19:56

DP, perhaps when posting on other threads, you can follow the fine shining example of the majority of posters on this thread, who though strongly disagreeing with your rather odious OP, have not resorted to the names - such as fuckwit, twat, you fucker, etc., - that you usually resort to in your posts.

It is their graced, intelligence and charm which have prevented them from doing this. Assets you appear to be deficient in.

LeonieSoSleepy · 22/06/2009 19:59

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PrimroseHall · 22/06/2009 20:02

By daftpunk Mon 22-Jun-09 19:01:18 Add a message | Report post | Contact poster

kimi...yes plenty of sink estates in surrey....don't forget surrey can mean stoke d'abernon..or... > ..mitcham....

I live in Mitcham...on a sink estate...and I like it.

pagwatch · 22/06/2009 20:02

Darn you Rindercella . I was just going to post something with 'twat' and 'wanker' in it but now I shall have to try and craft something more...poetic.

Actually . no.

smallwhitecat · 22/06/2009 20:03

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TheFallenMadonna · 22/06/2009 20:04

A child has special educational needs when they need intervention above and beyond good practice classroom differentiation in order to access work, or have some other need which affects how they learn. It isn't a less severe type of SN. SN has a meaning outside of education. SEN relates to teaching and learning. It encompasses significant physical disabilities and severe autism and significant emotional and behavioural difficulties at one end of the spectrum, through everything from global developmental delay, hearing/visual impairments, dyslexia, dyspraxia, AS, and low literacy skills.

Those are the figures that are reported. I teach one class where every child has an IEP except 6 who are EAL and one who is just at the lower end of the ability range. Five have statements. Two have what would probably be termed SN. They are not my worst behaved class by any stretch of the imagination BTW. Thought I should point that out...

Rhubarb · 22/06/2009 20:04

Yeah, it prolly does vary from LEA to LEA. This one I'm currently in seem very good.

A consideration perhaps, before I'm told I'm talking rhubarb?

PrimroseHall · 22/06/2009 20:04

Shit, forgot to mention that DS also has SN.

So...I am exactly the sort of person that DP wishes to avoid.

Thank fuck for that then

pickyvic · 22/06/2009 20:05

if anyone really wants to know the definition of SEN/SN then get a special educational needs code of practice. all the criteria is in that. its not as cut and dried as being 5 years behind. its all in the SEN COP. im stroking mine as we speak....

Rindercella · 22/06/2009 20:07

{grin} @ Pagwatch

And obviously I meant 'Grace, intelligence and charm" in my previous post.

pickyvic · 22/06/2009 20:07

and while im stroking my SEN COP i could remind you all that its a government issued code of practice and in theory every LEA should measure using the same criteria....according to this lovely bit of government legislation i have in my hands here....

(of course all mums with kids wiht SEN/SN also know thats bollox!) but its a nice weighty document and good for hitting officials round the head with when all else fails!

get one! really useful!

pickyvic · 22/06/2009 20:08

maybe we could all throw ours at the OP! (sorry)

LeonieSoSleepy · 22/06/2009 20:12

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FairLadyRantALot · 22/06/2009 20:14

actually Daftpunk....I think I am speechless....

chegirl · 22/06/2009 20:16

If you have to be 5 years behind your peers to get a statement, how does that work with children in reception? They are 5 so how can they be five years behind?

Back to OP.

I KNOW this has been said a hundred times but SN/SEN does not = vile, fidgity, violent children who will stop your child from learning.

There are loads of non SN/SEN kids who will flick bogies at your child, shove their heads down the bogs at lunchtimes and generally be hidious.

MY son is perfect lovely ta very much. He is SEN/SN and we live in somewhere as rough as a robbers dog. We dont tend to judge people because they have 'differences' though

spicemonster · 22/06/2009 20:19

You know OP I have always thought you were a twat. And battled against those who have defended you. So in a way, I'm glad you've displayed your twattishness for all and sundry to see because it means that I no longer have to defend my POV quite so vigorously.

Having said that, I'm really sad that your pathetic need for attention means you've felt the need to upset and offend so many brilliant posters/parents.

You're like a stupid younger brother who kicks over the coffee table for attention. And you're about as reactionary as Robert Mugabe. Punk indeed. Pah!

I hope you're ashamed of yourself. I think this is low. Even for you.

mollyroger · 22/06/2009 20:20

chegirl - well in our case, we were told by the school that ds had no problems , he was ''normal for a boy'' and just immature...(despite us having concerns about dyslexia for 3 years as it runs in our family and we do know some of the indicators)

Kimi · 22/06/2009 20:23

DS1 was not 5 years behind his peers he was 4 years ahead of them

GivePeasAChance · 22/06/2009 20:24

Who's betting that daft twatpunk does a flounce after this?

chegirl · 22/06/2009 20:24

molly sounds familiar - I went to see school before he started 2 years ago. Now they are beginning to listen. We knew he had problems as he had been monitored since birth due to birth mum's neglect and drug use.

Still - they know best I suppose

Rhubarb · 22/06/2009 20:29

Hearing about all these kids who have been recommended TAs but not got them makes me really angry. You need to get onto the LEA and demand that your child's needs are met.

If the Tories get in you know, funding for LEAs will be cut further, meaning even lower budgets for schools and therefore less TAs. A good enough reason NOT to vote Tory.