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To be annoyed at my grandma trying to give dds tiramisu?

128 replies

ladyofshallots · 03/06/2009 20:55

My grandmother is constantly trying to stuff 19 month old and 3 year old dds with rubbish, even though she knows my views on healthy eating. I know she is from a different generation with different ideas and I do try to give her some leeway, but she insists on trying to get dd1 away from me so she can sneakily give her extra strong mints . She takes dd1 for a walk every week and I suspect it is for the express purpose of secretly feeding her crap she knows I won't allow.

Today dh had to stop her spooning brandy soaked tiramisu into 19 month old dd2, so she immediately turned to dd1 before I managed to stop her. Dd1 of course had a tantrum then and my grandma said 'oh you've got to give her something.'

It's driving me mad. I'm not even overly strict - I don't mind the odd bit of chocolate and we bake cakes at home. I have tried explaining what I like them to eat and giving some suggestions, but she seems to enjoy undermining me.

She is also very controlling with the dds, particularly dd1 and seems to want to take over whenever she is with them. She is overly affectionate to the point of being suffocating and I feel as if she regards dd1 as hers rather than mine. Dd2 is very clingy so she doesn't pay as much attention to her. I do try to let some things go, but whenever she takes dd1 out for a walk she refuses to eat her evening meal. If I confront my grandma she denies giving her sweets and acts offended.

OP posts:
Stayingsunnygirl · 04/06/2009 10:35

Ooooooh - yes please. Not for me, you understand - I almost never eat sweets or puddings.

reach4sky · 04/06/2009 10:47

Okidokey. I'm at work so will have to remember it off the top of my head but here goes:

6 eggs separated
300g good quality dark chocolate
130g caster sugar
60ml orange juice
slug of grand marnier (or other liqueur)

Melt chocolate in microwave or in a bowl suspended over water. Using an electric mixer, beat egg yolks and 2 tbsp sugar together until pale (3-4 mins). Then beat egg whites and rest of sugar together for at least 5 mins until thick and glossy. Mix the slightly cooled chocolate into the egg yolk mixture and then mix in orange juice and Grand Marnier. Finally, carefully fold in egg whites. Put mixture into a large glass bowl and refrigerate until set. Apply face to contents.

HellHathNoFury · 04/06/2009 10:55

YANBU.
My mother undermines me with feeding 2 year old DS in this manner too. He goes a bit loopy on sugar so we try to moderate it, whenever I turn my back she is there giving him squash, chocolate, cakes etc, and then she tells ME off if one day I don't cook a 'proper' dinner and give him jacket potato and beans!!!

Stayingsunnygirl · 04/06/2009 11:03

Thank-you, reach4sky - that sounds amazing!

Stigaloid · 04/06/2009 11:06

YANBU - next time say she can't take DD1 on her own and you want to spend time together with all children. If she undermines you again don't invite her over and if she asks why tell her. Say - i have specific ways of raising my children and if you can't respect that then i am sorry but i do not want you influencing them.

If you don't feel you are able to be honest with her then you are just going to have to suck it up and carry on the way it is at the moment. She isn't likely to change so you have to either change your attitude, or change the situation in terms of how many visits she can have and the access to your DD's she can have.

Gorionine · 04/06/2009 11:15

YAB a little bit U

I would get it clear that she is allowed to "spoil" them a bit, but not with things containing alcohol!

Grandparents are there to spoil their grandchildren but within reason. I think you both have to give a bit into each other's wish!

SouthMum · 04/06/2009 11:19

Ahhh I think you should let kids be kids and part of being a kid is being spoilt by Grannies. Its how you handle it afterwards that will define whether the kids see it as a Granny-Treat not to be repeated at home or as a regular thing that they will come to expect.

And if you want to bake cakes with them or whatever and you are worried that Grans treats will spoil that then just have a word with her in advance and say what your plans are so can she limit the sweets to just one on this occasion. Same to the other relatives aswell.

Its galling when someone undermines you but I would say that a Great Gran has earned the right to undermine anyone. Let her enjoy her grandkids while she is around.

cat64 · 04/06/2009 11:44

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TheLadyEvenstar · 04/06/2009 11:56

Staying it IS Yummy, It was my nan who used to make it for us and I tell you what that is one of the things I miss about her now......

minouminou · 04/06/2009 14:46

It is a generational thing, deffo. A dog-walking aquaintance of mine has a prob with her 90-odd-year-old uncle feeding her dog biscuits and chocolate (which is vvv bad for dogs).
Her dog is overweight, mainly because of this, as she calls in on him most days a week, and is forever catching him slipping the dog a treat, with "Shhhh, don't tell your mum....".
She's told him recently that the vet has said the dog "has a fatty liver" (a lie, although he may well have by now), because it's something her uncle will understand and take on board.
I think anyone who's been through rationing has this attitude, and it's hard to deal with.
With the in-laws I was quite blunt - i said that when DS was old enough to run around unsupervised for hours (as we all did in the halcyon days of the 70's and 80's), then he could have lots of "sugar and shite".
With my 80-year-old neighbour, who loves dishing out chocolate biscuits, it's "It'll spoil his tea/he's a bit funny about having his teeth cleaned, so no sugar/his excema's been bad recently.....".
However, I think with the OP's situation, she needs to cut to the chase and address the real issue and say "I've said no, and no I mean.....", and encourage her to buy stickers/pencils etc etc instead, so at least she's offering an alternative treat.
Hope it resolves.

minouminou · 04/06/2009 14:48

Just read that 1st sentence there, and it seems like my chum's uncle feeds HER Bonio! Just to clarify....he's giving her spaniel biscuits intended for humans!!

JoPie · 04/06/2009 14:51

"never understand why people remove alcohol from dishes they serve to children. The quantities involved are small - I would use 60ml of alcohol in a Tiramisu which would serve 8 and personally I want my children to eat a proper version of a dish. We always eat together as a family and always eat authentic versions of dishes. My chocolate grand marnier mousse is their favourite pud."

I agree with you in principle, but authentic tiramisu doesn't have any alcohol in it, it uses coffee.

Stigaloid · 04/06/2009 14:54

Cat64 - i appreciate what you are saying and personally i loved being spoilt by my grandma when i as younger and why i never set ground rules with my mother as i am sure she probably likes to give treats to DS and i would rather not know and am confident that she cares and loves him and will do right by him. However, if i had said specifically that there are things that i do not wish DS to have, including alcohol laden desserts and high sugar snacks that mean DC are not eating their regular meals and these wishes were being ignored - i would say something. Deliberately undermining a parent in the childs eyes in unacceptable IMO. But as i also stated, if OP doesn't wish to have this conversation with grandma then she will just have to continue with it as is and just learn to accept it.

I don't think it is narrow minded, just honest. And i don't think i can control everything that happens in my childs life, but if i set ground rules to those caring for my DS and they are broken i would be miffed and say something. But that is just me. I do brutal truth.

ladyofshallots · 04/06/2009 15:02

I am probably over reacting, but I am pregnant, so hormones might explain it.

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minouminou · 04/06/2009 15:06

Not overreacting, I think you're reacting to the power ishoo, innit?
She wants to spoil him, and she's gonna find a way, so go on about how the 3-year-old loves such and such a magazine, and divert her away from foods.

Stigaloid · 04/06/2009 15:09

I don't think you are ovefr-reacting. I think she is being rude and appreciate with a loved member of an older generation it is hard to see eye to eye. But feeding your LO alcohol laden desserts in front of you when you clearly said no would upset anyone, pregnant or not.

My neighbour is lovely and was in tears when her FIL suggested she was a cow for continuing to 'milk her child' (i.e. breastfeed) to 6 months and then blithely announced that he didn't see why she molly-coddled him as he gave the LO a taste of beer earlier and he was fine. !!!! It is never another adults place to introduce alcohol to a LO other than the parent IMO.

Congrats on the pregnancy and hope you find some middle ground here.

Gracie123 · 04/06/2009 16:11

Tbh I don't think being old is an excuse to refuse to co-operate with your parenting techniques, and 70 is not that old. We told dh's grandma she could not smoke in front of ds. We no longer get invited to her house, but she respects our wishes in our home.
Fil gave exclusively bf ds lager at 3 months. Dh was furious, but now he even asks before giving him an apple. Maybe a slight over reaction, but at least we all know where we stand and we know we can trust him. Maybe you p's could speak to granny about how much this behaviour upsets you. It might make a difference.

Nighbynight · 04/06/2009 19:59

Both coffee and alcohol are completely unsuitable for babies. I can't believe that so many people seem to think tiramisu is a suitable pudding for a baby.

I was given coffee when I was a child by my mother. I was very sensitive to it, had to give it up completely later.

Twinklemegan · 04/06/2009 22:36

I personally wouldn't give tiramisu to a baby as a pudding. I'd assumed the OP was talking about a small taste. But there is a huge difference between "giving" coffee/tea/alcohol to a baby/young child, and allowing a tiny taste very occasionally. DS is allowed to finish the last drops of my instant coffee on occasion, but I would never ever give him coffee or tea (or alcohol!) to drink.

crosseyedandpainless · 04/06/2009 22:54

YANBU.
My mum has always had a thing about dipping her fingers in her sherry then letting my babies lick it off.

Yurk.

Did you say it was home made tiramisu? If it is anything like the alcohol soaked concoction I make I wouldn't think it'd be suitable for a small child.

ChippingIn · 05/06/2009 01:55

She is a toddler, 19 months, not a baby. I think there was only 1 person who said they would serve it up to a toddler/child for pudding, the rest of us are saying a couple of spoonfulls wont hurt her.

Twinklemegan - the amount of coffee in the couple of spoons from great granny wouldn't be any greater than what you allow your DS to 'finish off'.

Crosseyedandpainless - it wont hurt them - but Sherry is disgusting!! Blerghhhhh

Nighbynight · 05/06/2009 10:46

The OP said "spooning it into", not a little taste. We buy tiramisu at the supermarket, it is definitely "alcohol soaked" and contains coffee. Why on earth does anyone think that alcohol or coffee is OK at this age? why would anyone be so keen to get their child eating these things?

google "baby alcohol" or "toddler alcohol"
you may be surprised at what you read.

TheLadyEvenstar · 05/06/2009 10:50

Personally I don't have a problem with either ds having food which contains alcohol. I make spaghetti bolognaise with a small amount of red wine in it, I have made many tiramusu, sherry trifles etc and have never made seperate ones for ds's.

TheLadyEvenstar · 05/06/2009 10:51

Then again I also allow ds1 a glass of wine or an alcopop watered down with christmas, new year and easter dinner .

Colonelcupcake · 05/06/2009 17:31

TheLadyEvenstar how old is your ds?, I have no problem with cooked alcohol but I would have a problem with very young children (aged under 4) having uncooked alcohol in any form, but thats just me