To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

Perhaps there needs to be more campaigns aimed at wider society. I have rarely heard a mother saying negative things about breastfeeding. I have heard many people say incredibly negative things about breastfeeding (disgusting, exhibitionistic, sexual flaunting, gross bodily fluids and so on), and these have been people who do not have children.

I think it would be good if wider society understood more about breastfeeding so that it was seen as a normal thing for women before they got pregnant, rather than having all this information about something unknown thrown at people during pregnancy and making it solely their responsibility.

TT? Tiktok?

I'll take that as a compliment

look HM don't see all this so adversarially.dont collect labels or see sinister conspiracy every where every one needs to pivotally focus upon the new mum,her needs and preferences.at a really vulnerable time

holistic and empathic care.not dogma

look HM don't see all this so adversarially.dont collect labels or see sinister conspiracy every where every one needs to pivotally focus upon the new mum,her needs and preferences.at a really vulnerable time

holistic and empathic care.not dogma.thta what we mums need

Your quote said "I?m anxious that women who don?t or can?t aren?t made to feel bad about the decisions they make" and you said that was cobblers. I said as a general comment that I didn't think women should be made to feel bad. Not that it was your personal mission to make them feel that way.

And the follow up to the breast is best message is not bad - after birth loads of women try to BF, loads of women have that intention. The fall off occurs in the few weeks afterwards when women have difficulties and are not supported. That is where the problem lies.

And hold on it's me who always says that breast is best is preachy. Not half as preachy as some of the people who are paid to deliver the message though. You are nicking my lines.

SM - are you drunk?

It's just something about your syntax. It keeps sliding all over the place.

Milly have you really spoken to people who have said those things about BF?

I have honestly never heard views like that in RL. Comments on the daily mail website, yes, actual normal people, no.

If you do know people who say stuff like that it is certainly alien to my experience - i wonder if they need to target certain areas or something rather than using an overall approach... I bet there is a huge variation of attitudes around the place.

gaby why dont i type slower so you can think faster

your incisive comment.really added to the deabate.really

"Not half as preachy as some of the people who are paid to deliver the message though"

What constitutes 'preaching' in the context of breastfeeding promotion?

I think it's just SM's inimitable posting style, gaby.

I'm off to bed now.

Which I suspect means I will miss the 1000th post on this thread, so will wish all of you, and the thread, goodnight

peruse this thread it is a masterclass in bombastic preaching

But just time to say, gaby my post 20:03:00 refers.

SM, am not taking it as you think I am. You are being pretty patronising, but I'm, not taking it seriously, don't fret

Spam, I don't want to make women feel guilty - but I don't see how not being honest about stuff does anything but make yet more women feel guilty. I'm NOT talking about being unkind - I want more kindness for women who are pregnant/have just had babies - so, facts coupled with decent support would do me. No good telling women "breast is best" then in practice saying "but I haven't a clue how to support you to breastfeed, so you're stuffed", is there? I think we're saying the same things, really

Well - just wondered why you were so belligerent.

And a bit incoherent.

I finding that as I'm reading your posts this image keeps popping into my mind.....

LTOS

Yes, I have. I never had any negative response when I was breastfeeding. But a group of my work colleagues (childless, 25-35, educated to postgraduate level, 'green') persistently made awful remarks about a colleague's wife, although not to her face (I have known other incidents but theirs were the worst). I was really shocked because I thought people were aware of the issues around it. But I suppose why should they be? If you haven't had children, and you don't see it happening that often, why you should even think about it?

I can't really understand it, or explain it. I hope it isn't a common attitude, and hopefully lots of people on here will say they were really familiar with it before children.

"ardent vociferous campaigning".....where???

Individual voices that turn up on talkboards with a passionate (ardent?) view about women who are selfish not to breastfeed (or whatever) are just that - individual voices.

You cannot mean that these individuals are somehow a campaign, can you, scottishmummy?

On the other hand, pointing out that society and government and the health service all have a role in being clear about the health effects of infant feeding on the baby (and the mother), that this is a social and cultural and political issue rather than solely a lifestyle or personal choice issue...is that being vociferous? And campaigning? And ardent? If so, what's wrong with it?

oh HM you couldn't wait to feel slighted about a generalised comment

not addressed to you,as i said

you,the weary campaigner assailed by more alleged slights.reporting you will add "martyr" to your list.

well the list exists in your head only

patronising moi?
nope that's your erroneous interpretation

gaby i take your sterotypical national sterotypes and snipes at me as fact that you have run out of intellectaul puff

resorting only to scottish= rab c nesitt

if you feel that is an appropriate response,says more about you than me

SM, can you let me know how best for me to respond to that without provoking further unpleasant ramblings in my direction, please?

Given that I'd just said bf wasn't valued, and you then posted thus:

By scottishmummy on Mon 01-Jun-09 22:27:42
"why assert bf isn't valued?slightly martyred stance.that is a fatalistic view.do you think your efforts are all in vein"

..isn't it reasonable for me to imagine that you were directing your comments at me?

And you seem to have called me Tiktok twice, so really, I don't think you're paying attention. Tiktok's the clever one I'm just here for the campaigning.

are you determined to personalise this,feel aggrieved.cutn paste til your wee haert content.no one having go at you

much as you want to play victim role in this all

Anyway, nearly 1000 posts, then this thread can die. Huzzah.

so anyhoo it is just a bottle not a symbolic tool to undermine mums

just a we plastic bottle.disproportionate fuss

are we done then