To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

Ok advertising sells we all know this, however, seeing cigarettes advertised never made me rush out and start to smoke, seeing alcohol advertised has not made me a raving drunk, I have not felt the need to buy 99% of the stuff that adverts tell me I should/need/can not do with out.

Before I got pregnant I read, I learned, I looked at choices, i was having a child not getting tomorrows breakfast, as I had never had a child before I sought advice from family who had children, from book, (no PC back then) from friends and from the health care people working with DH and I.

Having a child is not the same as getting a new car/sofa/box of soap powder and no matter what the adverts said about FF it did not influence me in the slightest, I was given cow and gate in the hospital to feed DS1 i looked at all the others ask people I knew if they used it I also used Farleys,

I do not think giving a 2 year old a toy bottle will influence her choices in 20+ years time.

Will stop being hysterical now.....goes for lie down

Stealth while what you say may be true you are overlooking the fact that a lot of people don't think that a baby doll with a toy bottle is promoting formula feeding.

Kimi I apologise for calling you hysterical but you seemed to be taking all this very personally and reassuring people your DCs were loved - that is not in question.
The comment about paedophiles just made me roll my eyes a bit
Whip out a tit and pat on the back supremacy made me angry

Yes advertising sells.
Perhaps we should stop giving children baby dolls at all so as not to encourage teenage pregnancy.

Fair enough juuule but where does advertising stop?
Obviously it's easy to look at TV ads and see that money has been spent but magaznies talking about the hair salon Victoria Beckham uses ... a holiday destination all your friends are going to ... the feeding method your mum, sister and best friend all used...

Pepperedmackerel is spot on with the strawmen.

SPB I do not care if someone feeds their child with a bottle or nurses them, I think everyone has the right to make the choice and to do what they think right or make the best of what they are given.

I see on here a lot of the time people being given a hard time over their choice to FF and I find it unfair as I would never berate anyone for BF.

I have seen it implied that if you do not nurse you are in some way failing as a mother and that is shit and not true.

I tend to lead with sarcasm for the most part, I know it gets mis construed sometimes but hell thats just me.

I did get pissed off with someone saying my DRs were in the wrong but if that person wants to pop round with her qualifications and my health notes and point out whrer a team of very high ranking Drs were wrong I will put the kettle on and break out the hobnobs (there I go again just can't help myself).

But I do find some people on here very self righteous when it comes to the whole BF FF thing and it is tiring.

PERSONAL CHOICE two words some would do well to remember

Kimi, Leonie was a bit ott saying your Doc were definitely wrong, but it is true that many, if not most HCPs are ignorant about breastfeeding and that many who were told they couldn't breastfeed because of meds were given bad information.
Of course there are women who aren't able to breastfeed for medical reasons, but many who believe this to be true have been badly let down. I am angry at the medical profession for that, not the women.

A bit OTT? It was bang out of order.
There is a big difference between having a general view on an issue and making personal attacks on people. Without knowing the details how dare anyone comment on the medical advice another person has received?!

Leonie isn't interested in talking about the benefits of bf - she is an extremist who is actually veering all over the place with her arguments. When I put it to her that for many women, a bottle represents the ability for a partner or other carer to feed EBM to a baby, thus enabling the mother to work/go out/whatever, she responded by telling me that she never went anywhere til her children were about six, because her priorities were raising her children!! If that's not utterly offensive, as well as irrelevant, then I don't know what is!! This thread was about what a bottle (and a toy doll's bottle at that) represents. I think every single person on here is unanimous about the benefits of bf. But a few extremists like Leonie undo a lot of the good work done by most promoters of bf.

Kimi is spot on - Leonie is overcompensating for something. There is definitely something of the martyr mother there - 'I bf for 20 years even though I was in utter agony and never went anyone without my babies' - well, good for you then lady, but many of the rest of us have given our babies exactly the same nutritional benefits as you gave yours without becoming martyrs about it.

children need love,attachment,affirmation that comes from good parenting regardless of feeding mode.neither mode of feeding guarantees good psychological mental health and social development

there is more to parenting than initial mode of feeding

i love seeing a wee baby cuddling up to mummy,regardless of how it is fed.it is that unique bonding that shapes solid secure relationship

I often think that the more unhinged members of the BF brigade have probably never achieved anything in their lives other than having kids and feeding them - which is why they bleat on about it so much.

Who are the unhinged member of the bf brigade?
Name names please

Oh for a minute there I thought things were becoming a bit more sensible with VioletHill and Scottishmummy's posts. And then Nancy popped up with a snidey sneery post.

Personally, I think extreme views of anything are not helpful to anyone.

Thank you for putting that so succintly Nancy.

I totally agree. There is nothing utterly remarkable about having a baby and feeding it. Being a good, loving, responsible parent is something else. And it goes on for a lot longer than the few years you might spend bf.

And I also agree that women whose only achievement is giving birth often do feel the need to over compensate, because they are threatened by women who give birth, feed their babies and achieve a lot more besides.

Not intended to be snidey or sneery - just an honest observation.

really? You think there are women out there who bf because it's the only thing they can do?
And people think ffers are held in contempt!!

Vh, you're being personal right back at her, two wrongs don't make a right.

but some do bang on self righteously "i am woman i bf hear me roar"

actually the extreme polarisation of views on this topic,the emotional response it generates mean inevitably it always degenerates into argy bargy

shame really

I don't think Nancy said some women bf because it's the only thing they can do.

I think her point was that some women who have limited achievements in their life are sometimes at risk of latching on (pardon the pun!) to particular issues, whether it's bf, staying home with the kids, eating organic or whatever and becoming over zealous about it. They feel threatened by women who are achieving more in their lives. Sad but true.

and I'm sure there will be a few women like that, but not many, so what's the relevance exactly?
I think you're right sm - it's a shame really as most parents are just trying to do the best for their DCs - and the ones who aren't probably aren't on MN!

unless she was aiming it at people on here I mean, which is how I took it - as an insult.

That is so patronising VH.

And it seems to miss the point once more, that is a political issue.
I'm not just interested in breastfeeding because it's something I've achieved for my son and me.
I'm interested in it because it's a public health travesty, and because women are being let down and conned all around the world.

I am far from wrapped up in myself and my personal or professional acheivements.

No matter what anyone says the overall consensus is that this should be a BF vs FF discussion, and as such the same old stuff is being trotted out by everyone.

A debate about whether giving a child a toy bottle will seriously influence her feeding choice when she has her own children is miles more interesting, but I gather it's not what people really want to talk about.