To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

I was FF and have lovely teeth, My sister had braces for years, DS1 needs braces and DS2 has beautiful teeth..... I am so confused

PM this thread is not about FF vs BF.

It is about bottles. Which can contain EBM.

I do not know why everyone is so hell bent on turning it into a different debate. Actually yes I do, it's because people want to rant about FF and are going to do it anyway, irrespective of what the thread is actually about.

I am surprised that you have missed the posts where people have said that BF must be done exclusively from the breast, that women should not ever give their babies EBM from a bottle, that babies who are bottle fed for whatever reason are runts.

And you say my posts are out of order.

Cheap shot at VH as well, slagging her off for sympathising with someone who was advised not to BF for medical reasons. What is wrong with her doing that? Especially as Kimi has been told by someone else that she should have ignored medical advise, after that frankly I think she deserves plenty of support. It's a horrible thing to say.

originally about whether to give a bottle from a toyset.

that got quickly lost in the ether

what a crock of shite

it's a doll ffs

You're still doing it!

I didn't say your post was out of order - I said it had straw men in it.

And I haven't slagged vh off, I've asked her a question - I would seriously like to know if she thinks those people who couldn't bf but might have been able to with better help matter as much as those who can't full stop, and those who choose not to. Because it seems to me that those people are often overlooked.

You're right that this thread is nothing to do with individual choices or forced choices to bf or ff. It's not about which is best. But it is about the effect of things like toys on both of them.

If you don't think a doll and its accessories can have any effect on social attitudes to things like feeding, then fair enough - that's your view. But if you did think that it could affect social attitudes, then you'd see that that means that this is not just about a bottle, it's about the effect of a bottle on bf and ff - the different effects on one of them versus the other.

Again, if you don't think it matters that fewer babies might be breastfed thanks to social attitudes, then you're quite reasonably not going to care about things that change that social attitudes. That's fine and perfectly reasonable. But for people who do think it matters if fewer babies get breastfed thanks to social attitudes (say because of the financial cost to the NHS), then things that influence social attitudes matter too.

Personally I think baby dolls routinely coming with bottles does influence social attitudes, so I'd probably remove it if we had a doll like that.

And discreetly removing the routine toy bottle from a baby doll before handing it over to be played with isn't demonising ff, it's just not bringing the subject up before it's actually needed.

yes sm, it has degenarated
I don't believe that ff has risks
Why is everyonr my age fine?
Well my DC was ff and is fine and my friend's dc was bf and has asthma therefore it can't be true
and the ultimate shuttrt upper "please think of the people who can't bf - show some consideration"
ffs if you look through the threads asking for support you will see consideration in bucketfuls

I'm guessing the people who think things like dolls having bottles doesn't affect how anyone chooses to feed also believe that formula advertising doesn't work.

Way I look at it is thus....
I have breast, they are there for one reason, to feed babies, I could not do that, it was not the end of the world, I have two beautiful, clever, healthy, funny, happy children who are loved above and beyond all else, I am the best mother I can be, I am no less of a mother or a woman because I bottle fed my children.
It was not the biggest deal in the world to me TBH.

I do get fed up with the whole holier then thou attitude on here and else where, I think if I respect someones right to whip out a tit and feed a baby while I am having a coffee, eating my dinner of whatever the same apply to anyone who wants to get out a bottle and fill it with cow and gate.

If the only way we can meet the mark as a good parent is by nursing our children then I feel sorry for a lot of women out there who are missing the point completely

My children and how I treat them are for life not just what I did in the first few months of their lives.

I have no real regret, I have no shame, I just get on with life.

I think the whole breast feeding supremacy thing is so over rated..yes yes big pat on the back you all managed to do what mammals have been doing since the dawn of time, but there are reasons for some people not doing it/ not being able to do it so please in between feed get a life and get over it.

Thank you to everyone who has taken time to understand my reasons for FF and not trying to make out I sold my children to pedophiles over the internet or something because I FF

You think a two year old playing with a doll's bottle will be hardwired to FF in 20 or 30 years time?

stealth....advertising does work, of course....I simply said, that I was not bf'ed (actually I hadn't, but I say it now), I pretended to bottlefeed my dolls as a child, however, I still bf'ed my 3 ds's....so, for me "bottlefeeding" my dolls did not equal bottlefeeding my children....

Kimi you are completely overreacting and a bit hysterical
I believe your DCs are clever, healthy, happy and loved
That's not what this thread is about

PM your posts come across in a certain way, it may be that you are not reading them that way but they seem to be quite pointed to me.

"Violethill - just out of interest, do you care about people who are distraught and in tears about bf not working but who could have bf if they'd had better help? Or do you only care about people who had to ff because they couldn't bf at all or didn't want to?"

Implication being VH doesn't care about people being distraught and in tears. Not a very nice thing to say. The tone of that comment does not come across as a genuine question to me at all.

And stuff like "Again, if you don't think it matters that fewer babies might be breastfed thanks to social attitudes, then you're quite reasonably not going to care about things that change that social attitudes."

Why do you think I don't care about babies not being BF due to social attitudes? You make assumptions about my point of view. The fact that I think a small child seeing a toy bottle is not in the scheme of things at all likely to influence how they feed their babies as adults does not equate to my being perfectly at ease with the formula industry.

Plus, for the millionth time, what is wrong with a bottle of EBM? That is what the bottle represents to me. To assume that to everyone else it represents formula is odd. In fact to most people it simply represents "milk", with no specific as to what sort at all.

Fair enough FLRAL
Advertising comes in many forms - big huge coca cola style TV adverts, celeb endorsement, product placement and ensuring a place in the mainstream consciousness

LTOS to people who have had no exposure to babies - bf or ff - which is quite a lot, a bottle represents formula

Kimis posts are not hysterical at all

Given what has been said to her I thin her posts are remarkably calm.

There is hysteria on this thread, certainly, but not from Kimi.

The mind of a 2 year old and the choices of a 20+ year old are so far apart.

I played with toy guns, never wanted a real one though.
I had a wnedy house but was not my lifes ambition to live in a little plastic house.

I had a toy bear that was "my baby" never wanted to mate with a grizzly though... its a toy,

When all is said and done and this thread has been lost in cyber space it is your child, your choice, I do not think it is unreasonable to not give her it, I do not think it is unreasonable to leave it as part of the set, it is a personal choice

what, people who know she ff think she sells her children to paedophiles?

Oh now I am hysterical...
Runs round thread crying, screaming and waving carving knife......

Please point out what I have said that is hysterical......or did you mis spell hilarious??

SPB that is called sarcasm

Exaggeration due to perfectly understandable ire. You know that as well as I do.

Hysterical is an extremely loaded word, and not one that I would hurry to use in a personal way on a thread like this.

I have been lurking. I have read most, but not all the posts.

Kimi I have a very similar attitude to the one you voiced in your last post.

LOTS - when I said "Again, if you don't think it matters that fewer babies might be breastfed thanks to social attitudes, then you're quite reasonably not going to care about things that change that social attitudes.", I didn't mean you specifically, just anyone. And a lot of people don't care, because they don't see bf and ff as that different from each other - without being in anyway uncaring as people - they might be perfectly nice people - they don't care if fewer babies are breastfed thanks to social attitudes because they don't see it as mattering that much. They see bf and ff as pretty much as good as each other, so why does it matter? If someone sees it like that then obviously they're not going to mind about social attitudes changing how many babies are breastfed - and that's quite a reasonable point of view, IF someone thinks there's not much difference between the two ways of feeding.

If I'm talking to someone who thinks there's really not enough difference between the two for it to be worth making a fuss about, then there's no point in me trying to persuade them that baby dolls coming with bottles matters, because they're just not going to see it as remotely significant.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

Kimis post of 14:30:43

my DD has never had a bottle & she loves to feed her 'babies' with a bottle. I bf her for 2 1/2 years. DD1 used to bottle feed & 'breastfeed' her babies.She was also bf for 2years

whilst i understand where you're coming from, leave it in & let her have fun.

You can support her with the bf etc when she is old enough to understand &/ or is pregnant.

going to try this once more

• No one thinks that ffing makes a bad mother or if they do they're wrong

• FF has a health and cost implication

• FF is the norm in this country. BF is seen as weird and hippyish. The NHS is trying its hardest to increase the BF uptake and length of time of BF

• Therefore any action to counteract the culture of FF is a good one

• None of this is about individuals who either chose or resorted to FF