To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

So there really are tens of thousands of people of my generation having to have loads of corrective surgery to enable them to eat and drink.

Funny how I've never met one of them.

Still don't see how occasional bottle of EBM will cause this apparently catasrophic jaw malformation that is so common either.

I repent, /chases 13 and 8 year old round garden waving tits shouting suck on these it is the only way I can be a good mother....

exactly sunfleurs! and formula companies aren't trying to make money at all - they're all about helping the mummies achieve independence and the daddies learn how to bond with their babies and anyone who doesn't use a bottle is dehydrating their baby by not giving them water and is a sexist.

book writing is a commercial activity and not an altruistic act of sharing info.otherwise it would be free to downloadbut one should be careful and a bit cynical of

any evangelical message.one size doesnt fit all

steve biddulph who for years espoused benefits of nursery, selling book,doing talks making money and then laterly had a road to damascus like conversion and (you guessed it) started writing and selling books,doing talks (making money) about the evils of nursery

This thread should come with a health warning.................

STEER CLEAR OF THIS THREAD IF YOU PHYSICALLY CAN'T BREAST-FEED AND HAVE STRUGGLED TO COME TO TERMS WITH IT!

Breast milk is better for your baby - Fact.
Formula feeding is not as good for your baby - Fact.

However unpalatable that is the truth.

Presenting formula feeding as an equal option is WRONG. It isn't equal, it really is that simple. Yet in every single toy of this kind you find it is the only option for feeding.

Why would it be silly to put a toy breast pump into a doll play set? Surely if child feeding options in society are addressed equally no-one would be scoffing at that and using it as evidence of my silliness in posting this thread in the first place. Can't be bothered to trawl back but a few have mentioned breast pumps and pads being in sets in a "aren't you silly" kind of way.

Lissielou Rubbish isn't it! It had such potential to be an interesting conversation! Shame.

We ought to know that we all do our best, but would it not be more fun to talk about the wider context in which these decisions are made, and the child development angle of consumerism!?

this thread has all the usual rabid alarmist rantings about ff.

seen it 10000x before.complete lack of emapthy for any divergent view.dogmatic citing of research and mantras.conspiracy theories about health staff

unfortunately a mumsnet perenial

bound to be another along next week

My DD was bottle-fed from a few weeks, have a look at her, she's beautiful. You're talking as if these differences in facial formation are disfigurements.

I would like to think book writing was a creative actitivy myself but do agree with the rest of your post SM.

I don't think the benefits of B/F can be argued though. FF, yes, lots of profit being made there for the various companies involved. Not so much profit made from promoting breastfeeding apart from the odd book here and there.

I honestly believe if everyone on here read "The politics of Breastfeeding" they would understand where I am coming from. Whether you breastfeed or not the arguments and information in it are irrefutable.

Thought your tits were going out leonie? Did they go without you? Next time do it the other way round - take your brain out and leave your tits at home - we might get more intelligent debate

Whoops sorry, I meant your bewbies

This is getting so silly. It's really quite funny.

If you ever ever so much as show your baby a bottle, even if it contains EBM and you are only ever going to give it the one, then you are a bad mummy, your runts childs face will be malformed and it will suffer terrible consequences.

Women who go back to work before their children are able to drink from a cup are selfish.

Women who like to meet their friends for the odd drink and leave a bottle are spits ruinously neglectful.

Women who don't BF on medical advice should ignore their doctors.

Women who can't BF for whatever reason simply aren't trying hard enough.

Presumably women who FF as a choice should simply be lined up against a wall and shot.

You lot listen to yourselves. You are not doing anything positive for the promotion of BF. You make it sound difficult, inflexible, hard work and constraining.

I am being put off BF myself by this thread. I would not in any way want to be associated with the attitudes displayed.

no book or research is irrefutable.beware of any definitives

individual difference and human interaction always add variables

What a load of straw men!

Hear hear lovelytinofspam!

But ninky you brought the face thing up!

If it doesn't cause any problems then why does it matter? i don't know anyone who has had to have corrective surgery or dental work as a result of being formula fed. I don't know anyone who is facially disfigured as a result of having a bottle as a baby. So it's neither here nor there really is it.

If it was causing terrible large scale problems I think that we would all know about it, given that external beauty is such a huge concern in our society.

Isn't it weird, i know plenty of smokers that have contracted smoking related diseases.

i know heavy drinkers with liver damage, i know obese people with diabetes and high blood pressure.

yet i don't know a single FF adult, child or baby that suffers from any of the diseases they are supposedly at risk from.

I do not think anyone here has said that FF is better for a baby, I know I have not.

I remember standing in a hot bath with milk running down by body crying my eyes out.
(I have a 36F chest so it all seemed like such a waste). I begged the midwife to make it stop.

We all know we are meant to nurse our young no one has said other wise, just not everyone can do it.
I do not feel less of a mother nor do I feel a bad mother because cow and gate did their bit in feeding my children, I almost died to have them I think FF was a small price to pay

Kimi - I'm really glad that despite the difficulties, you don't feel any less of a mother because you couldn't bf. I wish everyone could overcome their difficulties in such a positive way.

My thoughts are for those who end up feeling demoralised and hurt by the offensive nature of the likes of leonie's posts.

Can I ask where the idea of disfigurement can from? I think all that was said is that bottlefeeding can cause a malformed palatte. This can affect teeth, your bite and in some cases breathing. LTOS I'm surprised you haven't known anyone who has worn braces...they are pretty common nowadays.

Violethill - just out of interest, do you care about people who are distraught and in tears about bf not working but who could have bf if they'd had better help? Or do you only care about people who had to ff because they couldn't bf at all or didn't want to?

Or do you just not believe they exist? But people like that do exist, and they vastly outnumber people like Kimi. Those are the people who will be helped by different attitudes to formula. If it was seen as a great last resort but just that, a last resort, there'd be better help for bf, and fewer people crying their eyes out because of bf going wrong. (Or do people like that not matter??)

To my mind leonie is over compensating for something, I just dont get it when people get so on the attack.

Everyone knows breast is best no one has said it is not, but some posters seem to want to challange this to thew bitter end that if you have not stuck baby up your top you have in some way failed as a parent and it is stupid...you would not go to the adoption thread and say you are less of a parent because you did not give birth to the child you love and are raising, I do not think adoptive parents get to breast feed but that does not make them less of a parent.
To go back to the OP, it is up to you if you remove the bottle, you could just talk to your child and say this IS an option, you have a choice, sometimes this is needed.
I don't run up to every BF mother in starbucks and wave a bottle at them and say no no THIS is what you need. I respect they are doing the best they can as did I

The disfigurement bit was another straw man I think - take what people are really saying, exaggerate it and dress it up a bit in more dramatic language, and present it back as an easy target because it's fiction. See for example most of LTOS's last post but one!