to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

My concern is that the parents of the girl may come on here quite legitimately and find their health care "professional" calliing them idiotic on a public forum.

i think this breaches the prefessional conduct of a doctor... but I'm not sure.
i think it would be aproblems for me as a vet if i did this...

My brother regressed at 4yo. He was developing normally and then he just changed overnight. Became non-verbal and unresponsive. He went to a special school and they worked wonders with him. He is now 50yo, working, communicating but still lives with our DM.

Peachy

Are you saying that you dont think diagnosis and recognition of ASD have improved in recent years?

Mummydoc - with the greatest of respect - are you really a qualified doctor ? I asked you to clarify something on the head injury thread which you seem to have missed and your post on this thread makes me (as another health care professional) VERY dubious about your credentials I am pro MMR but I'd hate to think that the validity of the pro vac stand would be undermined by someone claiming to be an expert ? Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is a very emotive subject and I rather suspect that if you HAD acted as you state, you would be suspended at the minute ?

Am genuinely shocked at the idea that
mummydoc is being reported to "ensure" her credentials.
Jesus - that's really fucking shoddy behaviour.

Mummydoc has not been unprofessional because she has not given identifiable details aobut patient or family.

loupiots, I agree. Really over the top point scoring going on there I'm afraid.

I'm saying that I don't think there are massive amounts of undiagnosed people at higher end ASD yes, AS is a different case as it's a relatively recent DX in itself isn't it. It would be impossible for people with more severe ASD's to have escaped recognition as LD

Spokette thta's great that he is doing so well. I am certain that ds3 had no signs though, and as ds1 had been in the system by his arrival feel fairly certain i'd have noticed something if there ahd been signs. Indeed, I have a rather sad memeory of DH and I in the kitchen smiling at each other whilst discussing how non-ASD he was seeming

BTW, would anyone care to address Spokette's very good point below:

"The apparent rise in autism is down to improve diagnosis and more recognition of the symptoms... Also, one cannot escape the fact that over 500 million doses of MMR vaccine have been administered without the proportionate rise in autism that one would expect if the vaccine was actually responsible."

Peachy? Leonie? anyone?

I'm not getting involved in bizarre disputes over my repoting, have left it to MN as I actually do think a wider policy on this needs developing.

I am firmly pro-vaccination, both to protect my child and for herd immunity, but not naive enough to think that vaccines are 100% safe.

I had a list of things before I had children that I said I would never do.

Included among these were that I would never give my children a dummy, that I would never bring the baby into my bed and that my children would definitely be having the MMR.

I have broken all of these!

If my DS was 100% healthy then he would be following the standard vaccination schedule. Unfortunately he has multiple allergies and given his malfunctioning immune system I was concerned about the MMR. I was therefore intending to give him single vaccinations.

At the time I did a lot of reading around the subject and discovered that there was more than just a suspected link between the MMR and autism, there was a suspected link between measles and autism. So we made the decision to put off any kind of measles vaccination until he was a bit older. He has however had all the rest.

I don't have time or the inclination to go back through all the stuff I read to link any of it here.

It is a risk that DS might contract measles, which worries me quite a lot, but my DH and I have had a lot of discussion about this and we are happy that we have balanced the risks in the individual case of my DS.

If baby no 2 is perfectly healthy then he/she will be having all the vaccinations.

I did address that further down, novice, and I know there is someone on here with details on somel linked research but it not me, I do hope they see it.

however the rise in ASD is certainly happening- NAS (national autistic society) figures show that; indeed it has been asked why such a rise is not being treated as an epidemic in itself.... can you imagine if 1% of children developed any other life changing disorder? because it is that high an incidence rate you know, quite scary really here

Kingprawn people make their own decisions whether to vaccinate, that is not my issue, it is their choice .

As I said already I will never compromise the well being of my children just to protect the health of anyone else's.

THAT is a perfectly normal way of thinking.

Vile and offensive seems to be a forte of yours.

Leonie, the final sentence of the abstract of the research you link to states:

"Other artifacts have yet to be quantified, and as a result, the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear."

This is hardly a ringing endorsement for your theory that rises in autism are not down to improved diagnosis

Leonie

Are you saying that none of the rise is due to better diagnosis? Or that some of it is, and some isnt?

leonnie - did you read that article
quote - "the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear"

Ultimately (and I say this as a sign off as I need to go pack) whilst I accept that many people think I beleive bunkum research (and actually I am not sure either way about it but not disbeleiving- I would like to see more research into the matter) I do not beleive that the most vehement MMR defenders would make a different choice if, god forbid, tehy were ever in my shoes. It is impossible to know how you would react until you are there, if you search some threads on this from several years abck I will be in the Pro MMR lobby

So there is a stanbdoff there that is unbreachable and simly energy sapping

novicemama, hope your DD gets better very soon. My DS caught measles at 10months, and was only properly ill for about 5 days - I was expecting it to be much worse as I'd heard more about the cases with complications.

I wasn't furious about him catching it, I must admit. I caught measles from him and it developed just as he started to get better (I had MMR as a child but, for reasons which various doctors have debated amongst themselves, it didn't protect me) and I was quite ill with encephalitis and viral meningitis. The fact that I'd been immunised but still caught it, and that I'd caught it as an adult and been much more seriously ill, whereas I thought it was more dangerous for younger children and that DS would be iller than I would be.... All that muddied those waters for me. Plus the muddying of my brain from the encephalitis - tbh I don't remember much from the time I was ill. So there was little fury on my part just a lot of 'ouch my head' and 'what day is it?' (dark encephalitis humour used to deflect the few memories I have which are quite painful...).

I don't know if yabu or not. My verdict - YMBBUBITU (you might be being a bit unreasonable but it's totally understandable)

Leonie, your bullshit assesment is rather strong considering what you have posted is inconclusive. The last sentence says "Other artifacts have yet to be quantified, and as a result, the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear".

Also, I would like to point out that there are many children who have been diagnosed with autism, have not even received the MMR vaccine, especially since the Wakefield fiasco.

I said this yesterday but I'll say it today" Do you realise that it is only in the last 10 years that it as been proven that smoking causes death and disease?

Before then it was not 'proven' therefore it wasn't 'true' even though someone who had undergone a brain removal could see it to be the case. It's the same with the mmr.

Leonie, have you actually looked at the link you posted, which supposedly backs your views? The research you link to and in fact ALL the "related articles" research items to the right of the page actually back up my original post - that THERE IS NO LINK between MMR and autism. I suspected no one would be able to produce any actual research to back up the claim of a link and here we are!