to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

"when i said to one set of parents that their precious 12 year old could be left deaf/blind or brain damaged because they hadn't vaccinated"

You didn't really say that in front of the patient did you? Dear god. Especially as she was well enough to be in a supermarket.

one child is in ITU and probably going to be left brain damaged? that is dreadful and very frightening. I do hope it is reported in the press. I haven't heard of any cases like that in the last few years, do you know of any others mummydoc?

Mummuydoc is vitamin A being used in the hospital cases as suggested in this Pediatrics study?

Just curious as to whether UK children are being tested for deficiency and treated as required in the light of the serious nature of the current measles situation. We know vitamin A works well in developing countries (as observed by WHO) and we have studies like the one above which show it reasonable to expect the same in developed countries. Just wondering if this knowledge is being applied and if not what the reasons are for that. Thanks.

BTW I had measles aged 11 and as far as I know I was vaccinated. I was very ill with it too.

ROFL at 'over seeing risk management reports' = public health policy expert.
But it is a big team

Someone should tell Liam Donalson to check out the jobs section.

Mummydoc possibly not your intention but your post makes you sound very callous and unprofessional with regards to treating patients who have not been vaccinated. Surely all patients have the same right to treatment, isn't that an essential element of the ethics of medicine?

I'm also shocked by the name calling of parent's of children under your professional care.

If you were treating my kids I would report you.

.... "When i said to one set of parents that their precious 12 year old could be left deaf/blind or brain damaged because they hadn't vaccinated the girl herself piped up and was furious with them for not getting her vaccinated."

I really hope you don't call yourself any kind of professional do you?
You chose to distresss a 12 year old girl in order to do some minor numbskull point scoring with a patients parents? Really?

You should be so proud

Right I'm off to bake a birthday cake for my neighbour. Will stop me from hitting the report this post button again on this thread.

Kingprawn your post of 15.25 is vile and offensive.

Mummydoc your post shouldn't be on a public forum IMO.

are there any figures for the current measles outbreak? In terms of causing lasting damage?

I've never believed mummydoc to be a doctor and that post has made it almost 100% certain to me that she's not. I've never met a GP (or other doctor) who would behave in that way. When ds3 had seizures and I said to the consultant I was concerned about pneumonococcal disease he said 'not a problem, if it's that, I don't think it is, but if it is we'll treat it'.

The doctors I've met have all been professional, and would never terrorise their patients to point score.

MrsT shouldn't that be reported to MN Towers following outcome of Rev sit?

I will also do so

in reply to critics, i am not unproffesional just exsasperated by parents who are asking me to fix a problem of their own making - and in the case of the 12 year old girl the father and mother asked me what the consequences of measles could be .. therefore in the interest of informing them and ebing transparent i told them, what would oyu prefer doctors do ? say oh well it is just a mild viral infection of course there is nothing to worry about.... and of course i didin't call them idiots to their face... but as the original poster has highlighted people being ignorant about the risks measles pose are allowing unprotected pre vaccinated children to be put at significant risk. i am not sure why my post shoul dnot be on a public forum ? can the poster who said that please explain

saintly

you are proceeding on the assumption that a Doctor cannot be a total twat.
A common yet unfortunate mistake.
I handled medical malpractice cases for several years and Doctors, like all human beings, can have the best and worst of qualities. Arrogance appears more often than in the mainsteeam population I would say - God complex not that rare either....

FWIW I imediately associated her name with papa Doc the mentally unstable mass murdering despot. But that may just be me.

"Kingprawn your post of 15.25 is vile and offensive."

I think the word you were looking for was true

mummydoc and massivenorks, nice to see some people out there still sticking up for the common sense approach - what's the job you're offering massivenorks??

I have not had any qualms about giving my DD all the vaccinations she is meant to have at the time when she is meant to have them - she is just 2 months too young to have had the MMR. I am totally happy for her to be vaccinated as per the guidelines. And honestly my main motivation is not so much to ensure she does not catch the diseases (she is healthy so I know she would cope, as she is doing at the moment in fact - almost better for anyone interested). My genuine main motivation is to be socially responsible and to ensure the health of the whole cohort - there are many people out there who will be affected much worse than her by a fall in herd immunity. I hope it's not too incredible to believe that someone might do something for the greater good rather than out of blinkered self-interest.

Some of the people posting here seem to take pride in thinking only of their own children and nothing else, a kind of "I'll do what I want to do for my kids (whether or not this is backed up by any scientific evidence) and bollocks to the rest of you" attitude, which frankly is a bit depressing. An acquaintance of mine has taken to refusing to hang out with other parents who won't give their DCs the MMR without a damn good medical reason (ie: the vast vast majority of refuseniks) - perhaps if we all took this up, this kind of social exclusion would be a good motivator?

Actual;y mummydoc there is a real concern, simply as a friend on here of mine, a reverend, was require3d to post her qualifications to MN befopre posting in that role and still asked to remove rev from her poster name due to the authority such a name can demand.

So I have reported your post to MN, purely ion that basis alone- we muct be consistent and in all truth yo wouldn't want some of the flack that Rev received either, I can assure you (from posters not MN)

novicemama if that is true, why would we have vaccinated our first (for me older 3) children? many of us did, you know- that's not a blanket disregard is it? Surely?

DS4 does not attend nursery or school yet, and his brothers are all vaccinated as are Dh and I; hence the chance of him coming into contact with the illness in order to spread it are minimal at best.

By the time he is at school I should be able to afford a measles jab as a single.

I really cannot see the wider problem there.

well said novicemama. Glad your little one is doing well.

This totally doesn't follow on from the rest of the thread- but my sisters boy, 11, was in hspital last night- they have come home but advised to isolate him, as it's suspected measles, and he is REALLY poorly.

Any advice?

To OP, YANBU.

I have not read all thread but my view is that Andrew Wakefield who sparked the paranoia has been discredited. As a scientist myself, there is no way I would draw conclusions like he did based on such a tiny sample of subjects.

I also believe that if he had said that giving MMR increased children's intelligence using the same spurious emperical methodology, threads like this would not exist because all children would be vaccinated.

My older brother is autistic and did not have MMR jab. My nephew is autistic and we knew something was amiss from when he was about 9 months old. Nothing to do with the vaccine.

The apparent rise in autism is down to improve diagnosis and more recognition of the symptoms. That is why it is now believed that brilliant scientists like Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were actually Aspergic due to how they behaved and functioned. Also, one cannot escape the fact that over 500 million doses of MMR vaccine have been administered without the proportionate rise in autism that one would expect if the vaccine was actually responsible.

Another point that I cannot fathom is if parents really believe that the vaccine is responsible (and according to Wakefield, it was due to the measle element), then why bother giving single jab for measles?

Surely Mummydoc has been around for years under that name? I'm sure she's worked out for herself by now what the pros and cons of it are.

If there's going to be a policy about not having profession or anything else indicated in names surely MN Towers ought to make that general and public rather than it being applied on a random and individual basis?

I think MrsT would be best palced to answer your post Spokette, though evenb I as a non scientist can see a few points there such as the better-dx which have been (IIRC) alrgely discredited?

Not all children with asd are identifiable at 9 months, though; ds1 certainly was noticeably different but ds3 asn't, and a good number of children do regress, that is recognised.

That's up to MN Towers Kathy, I ahve suggested that they follow the method adopted already in these cases, which is not unreasonable but ultimately their call.